americans need to pay higher taxes

[Darrell]

It goes beyond that though, but you apparently can't understand that concept. You just claimed that supply and demand doesn't affect the price of gasoline... and then you turned around and said that it is. You're hilarious.

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Eeeeevery town has it's ups and downs. Sometimes ups outnumber the downs, not in Nottingham....

 

[Kyle B]

they lower production and raise prices,they raise production and prices go down.......the producers dictate the price because the rest of the world cant do without it

OPEC tried that and failed.

It may take the market longer to adjust to a higher price in gasoline, but it will adjust eventually.

 

[Accountable]

my opinion of course

lets face it,if i use petrol/gas as an example.you pay well under the odds.....if a tax doubled the price it still wouldn't bring you in line with most other western countries

Why should we fall "in line with most other western countries"? Why would we want to? Personally, I'd rather see the federal gov't spending less, rather than taxing more.

 

[Accountable]

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Well, how about that? :24:

 

[Accountable]

how do you think goods move in europe?.....canal barge?:24:

 

[retro]

Why should we fall "in line with most other western countries"?

Because Prince John says we should.

 

[anathelia]

I think some Americans should pay higher taxes. I also think the government needs to stop spending so much.

Taxing the price of gasoline alone will not fix the problems we have here. Taxing 5% higher to the top 5% income bracket however...

And I'd just like to point out that the US is incredibly spread out. People in places like New York can take a subway or a cab...they're everywhere. Here in Phoenix (a city that covers over 3,000 square miles) we have a light rail that they just put in. However, the light rail doesn't even reach the northern part of the city, where most people live. You still have to drive to a park and go location and pay to park your car there all day while you take the light rail downtown...because that's the only place it goes. Not out to any other parts of the city where people work. There's always the option of the city bus...if you wanna plan out a route that includes changing buses seven or eight different times and involves probably having to leave your house before the sun comes up to make it to work by 9am. And those buses are disgusting. The city does nothing to keep them clean.

It may be feasible to publicly commute that way in condensed cities, but most of the cities in this country are more spread out than that. Not to mention the fact that a lot of the southern locations in this country are hotter than hell, so even if I worked say 2 or 3 miles from home, there's not much I can do about it. I believe in the month of July we had a weeks worth of days that were sub-100 degree temperatures, and every single one of those was above 95*F. So until you've lived here, don't act like you know the solution to the problem. I would never claim to know how to fix the UK's problems. There are a lot of things that need to happen to fix the economy and the debt in this country. Doubling the price of gasoline, however, is not it.

 

[Minor Axis]

Trucks are faster than trains.

As for the completely asinine subject of this thread... the more you buy the cheaper it is. We use lots more fuel than England which is why it's cheaper here. Very simple. But thank you for trying to solve all of America's problems by suggesting raising taxes on one single commodity. :smiley24:

Huh? I just made an observation and that offended you? O---K. BTW I believe fuel is higher in England because it has more taxes on it than we do. Those socialist bastards. :sarcasm

 

[brieze]

I think some Americans should pay higher taxes. I also think the government needs to stop spending so much.

Taxing the price of gasoline alone will not fix the problems we have here. Taxing 5% higher to the top 5% income bracket however...

And I'd just like to point out that the US is incredibly spread out. People in places like New York can take a subway or a cab...they're everywhere. Here in Phoenix (a city that covers over 3,000 square miles) we have a light rail that they just put in. However, the light rail doesn't even reach the northern part of the city, where people live. You still have to drive to a park and go location and pay to park your car there all day while you take the light rail downtown...because that's the only place it goes. Not out to any other parts of the city where people work. There's always the option of the city bus...if you wanna plan out a route that includes changing buses seven or eight different times and involves probably having to leave your house before the sun comes up to make it to work by 9am. And those buses are disgusting. The city does nothing to keep them clean.

It may be feasible to publicly commute that way in condensed cities, but most of the cities in this country are more spread out than that. Not to mention the fact that a lot of the southern locations in this country are hotter than hell, so even if I worked say 2 or 3 miles from home, there's not much I can do about it. I believe in the month of July we had a weeks worth of days that were sub-100 degree temperatures, and every single one of those was above 95*F. So until you've lived here, don't act like you know the solution to the problem. I would never claim to know how to fix the UK's problems. There are a lot of things that need to happen to fix the economy and the debt in this country. Doubling the price of gasoline, however, is not it.

I'm sorry, but how is this not common sense, sky? I mean... c'mon. Pick up a globe. I think it's pretty obvious that tripling gas prices when most citizens can barely keep a roof over their head is a dumb move.

 

[BadBoy]

People in other countries think we are all rich here.

And Sky, these coalition forces you speak of, who makes up the majority of them? If the US were to stop being part of the "coalition", what exactly do you think would happen? If the US would quit trying to spread OUR money over the rest of the world we'd all be ok here without the need to tax the bejesus out of its citizens. You just want higher taxes here so you can keep on trucking with us defending you and keeping the world spinning on its axis.

 

[retro]

I don't understand this. Did you know that a train can move 1 ton of goods 400 miles on 1 gallon of gas or so they claim. Why are there thousands of trucks on the interstate??

Trains aren't nearly as efficient as trucks are for the type of hauling that trucks do. Trains handle much of the hauling of bulk materials... items that trucks either can't do or can't do efficiently. The main problem with freight hauling by train is getting items to and from the train, which has to be done by truck. Except in the case of large bulk materials, because a lot of the providers of those types of materials often have a train lot on their premises. A train is obviously limited by its tracks, while a truck is only limited by the roads available to its driver. Therefore, while a train can technically haul items for a less cost of resources, a truck gets the items to where they need to go far more efficiently than a train ever could. 80% of communities in the United States depend on trucks to ship goods to them. We quite frankly don't have the track infrastructure necessary to make trains our primary source of freight hauling.

The tax debate is no longer about raising taxes for the common good, things like public education which raises up society. No, it's about how can I keep most of my hard earned cash and screw the rest of you.

The tax debate hasn't been about raising taxes for the "common good" for a very long time.

 

[Zorak]

If I was King, sorry - 'President' (which is apparently American English for King) I'd raise fuel tax, and if anybody complains I'd ship them off to French Canada. Or just kill them. Whatever is more humiliating for them.

 

[retro]

If I was King, sorry - 'President' (which is apparently American English for King) I'd raise fuel tax, and if anybody complains I'd ship them off to French Canada. Or just kill them. Whatever is more humiliating for them.

Hmm, the King of England tried that shit back in the 1700s... look how it ended up for him.

 

[Zorak]

Hmm, the King of England tried that shit back in the 1700s... look how it ended up for him.

King of England, President of America. Same difference.

 

[darkcgi]

 

[All Else Failed]

my opinion of course

lets face it,if i use petrol/gas as an example.you pay well under the odds.....if a tax doubled the price it still wouldn't bring you in line with most other western countries

Is this seriously an argument for why we should pay higher taxes?

I think some Americans should pay higher taxes. I also think the government needs to stop spending so much.

who would those people be and why

 

[anathelia]

If you read the rest of my post, you'd see the part where I said the top 5% should pay 5% more in taxes. It would fix out debt problems in no time flat.

But the gov't would never go for it...because guess who's in the top 5% in regards to income? Oh yeah...that's right...all those people in Washington.

However, if you want me to make it fair, I won't say that they shouldn't raise taxes for everyone. 5% higher taxes wouldn't be the end of the world and would allow the government to recoup the trillions of dollars in debt we have.

 

[All Else Failed]

If you read the rest of my post, you'd see the part where I said the top 5% should pay 5% more in taxes. It would fix out debt problems in no time flat.

But the gov't would never go for it...because guess who's in the top 5% in regards to income? Oh yeah...that's right...all those people in Washington.

However, if you want me to make it fair, I won't say that they shouldn't raise taxes for everyone. 5% higher taxes wouldn't be the end of the world and would allow the government to recoup the trillions of dollars in debt we have.

The top 5% pay the vast majority of income tax. If you want to go down to households or individuals who make 100K + a year it is pretty much all income taxes. The wealthy are already saddled with basically funding the entire country.



Did you know about 47% of Americans DON'T pay any sort of income tax? You want to talk about fairness?

 

[satinbutterfly]

Huh? I just made an observation and that offended you? O---K. BTW I believe fuel is higher in England because it has more taxes on it than we do. Those socialist bastards. :sarcasm

Only the first part of my post was directed at you. My apologies for not making that clear.

 

[anathelia]

The top 5% pay the vast majority of income tax. If you want to go down to households or individuals who make 100K + a year it is pretty much all income taxes. The wealthy are already saddled with basically funding the entire country.



Did you know about 47% of Americans DON'T pay any sort of income tax? You want to talk about fairness?

And how many of that 47% are unemployed? Probably close to half? Should unemployed Americans have to pay taxes? Where on Earth would they get the money?

No. Instead of raising taxes, we should definitely continue to cut government spending. Let's pare down all the government funded programs helping those who are unemployed. Let's continue to destroy DES so that people get turned down for unemployment or long term healthcare or even regular healthcare. Let's keep cutting spending so that we can turn mothers and children away from programs like WIC.

Be realistic. Someone needs to be paying more money. And if you're expecting it to come from people who have no money to give, then that's completely insensible.

You do realize that the top 5% pay the vast majority of the income tax because they make infinitely more money than the average American, right? I said in my previous post that I won't say you can't raise taxes for everyone. Go ahead, that's fine. But you can't make money appear out of thin air.

Please don't talk to me about fairness when our government is bent on punishing the poor and unemployed because it's "their fault" for not having a job.