americans need to pay higher taxes

[skyblue]

I drive a car that gets 30MPG on the highway... so your point there is moot. Also, please try living there and then tell me it's ridiculous for me to drive my car a mile to work. When I go to work in the mornings during the summer it's already over 90° outside. Plus, I generally leave from work to go other places, like shopping, to get my son, etc. It would be horribly inefficient for me to walk to work, then walk home, and then leave again. I would've loved to have gotten a car that suited my needs and got 50MPG, but at that point I would've been looking at a hybrid, and I couldn't afford it. I could've gotten a subcompact or something to get 40MPG, but then I would barely have had enough room for having my son or other people in my car, along with the tools and such that I carry around for work.

It's ridiculous for you to make judgements without knowing any facts. You're making yourself look like a total and complete idiot here. Just because you Brits don't have an issue paying an absurd amount of taxes on your fuel, doesn't mean that Americans would stand for it. Past the average commuter, you haven't factored in trucks. The vast majority of our commerce moves via the road on trucks. It would cripple our economy even further if we were to triple the price of diesel through more taxation. These are things that you don't have a clue about because you don't live here... but hey, continue to pass judgement about things you have no understanding of. But hey, keep talking out of your ass... it's giving me a laugh at least.

Jesus Christ.

how do you think goods move in europe?.....canal barge?:24:

 

[retro]

how do you think goods move in europe?.....canal barge?:24:

60% of all commercial freight in the United States takes place via truck. The United States is the 3rd largest country by land mass, 17 times larger than the largest European country, France. It's safe to say that the trucking industry in the United States is more vital to our economy than in Europe. My understanding is that the majority of trucking that takes place in Europe is short haul, while long haul comprises a significant chunk of all American commercial freight.

 

[Minor Axis]

60% of all commercial freight in the United States takes place via truck. The United States is the 3rd largest country by land mass, 17 times larger than the largest European country, France. It's safe to say that the trucking industry in the United States is more vital to our economy than in Europe. My understanding is that the majority of trucking that takes place in Europe is short haul, while long haul comprises a significant chunk of all American commercial freight.

I don't understand this. Did you know that a train can move 1 ton of goods 400 miles on 1 gallon of gas or so they claim. Why are there thousands of trucks on the interstate??

The tax debate is no longer about raising taxes for the common good, things like public education which raises up society. No, it's about how can I keep most of my hard earned cash and screw the rest of you.

 

[skyblue]

I don't understand this. Did you know that a train can move 1 ton of goods 400 miles on 1 gallon of gas or so they claim. Why are there thousands of trucks on the interstate??

The tax debate is no longer about raising taxes for the common good, things like public education which raises up society. No, it's about how can I keep most of my hard earned cash and screw the rest of you.

and here we have it:thumbup

 

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and here we have it:thumbup

Sure thing chief. That has absolutely nothing to do with a gas price increase... it was a pathetic not so veiled attempt to attack us and imply that we're selfish with our money.

 

[skyblue]

Sure thing chief. That has absolutely nothing to do with a gas price increase... it was a pathetic not so veiled attempt to attack us and imply that we're selfish with our money.

raising taxes would go a long way in the process of getting america out of the predicament it finds itself in right now,tax wise you've had it easy for a very long time,nows the time to bite the bullet and struggle like the rest of us,things cant carry on as they are.

 

[retro]

raising taxes would go a long way in the process of getting america out of the predicament it finds itself in right now,tax wise you've had it easy for a very long time,nows the time to bite the bullet and struggle like the rest of us,things cant carry on as they are.

no... cutting spending would go a long fucking way in the process of getting American out of the predicament it's in. All that's going to happen if they increase taxes is that the government will see more revenue that they can increase spending with. Again, you have no concept of how things are here. But hey, keep running your mouth... your complete ignorance is still making me laugh. :24:

 

[satinbutterfly]

I don't understand this. Did you know that a train can move 1 ton of goods 400 miles on 1 gallon of gas or so they claim. Why are there thousands of trucks on the interstate??

Trucks are faster than trains.

As for the completely asinine subject of this thread... the more you buy the cheaper it is. We use lots more fuel than England which is why it's cheaper here. Very simple. But thank you for trying to solve all of America's problems by suggesting raising taxes on one single commodity. :smiley24:

 

[skyblue]

no... cutting spending would go a long fucking way in the process of getting American out of the predicament it's in. All that's going to happen if they increase taxes is that the government will see more revenue that they can increase spending with. Again, you have no concept of how things are here. But hey, keep running your mouth... your complete ignorance is still making me laugh. :24:

ok then,what if the oil producing nations decided to make the largest consumer pay more?..resulting in higher prices at the pump,should the current taxes be lowered because americans wont pay more?

and lets face it,you live for your car,you drive a mile to work,you think 30 to a gallon on a freeway is good, and by the sounds of it you dont like your kids to walk

 

[skyblue]

Trucks are faster than trains.

As for the completely asinine subject of this thread... the more you buy the cheaper it is. We use lots more fuel than England which is why it's cheaper here. Very simple. But thank you for trying to solve all of America's problems by suggesting raising taxes on one single commodity. :smiley24:

with oil prices it doesn't work like that kim,the price of a barrel is set and thats final

 

[satinbutterfly]

with oil prices it doesn't work like that kim,the price of a barrel is set and thats final

Have you ever heard of supply and demand? That does affect the price. Or do you come from a completely different planet than the one we live on?

Oh, and it's Satin or you can also call me Jen. You must be hitting the booze pretty hard today Ian.

 

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with oil prices it doesn't work like that kim,the price of a barrel is set and thats final

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Please tell me you don't actually believe what you just said. The cost of gasoline is a helluva lot more complicated than the simple cost per barrel. Even the taxes involved are more complicated.

 

[skyblue]

Have you ever heard of supply and demand? That does affect the price. Or do you come from a completely different planet than the one we live on?

Oh, and it's Satin or you can also call me Jen. You must be hitting the booze pretty hard today Ian.

supply and demand doesn't effect the price of oil

and yes...sorry,i've had time off work and decorated a room on my own...tonights the last night i can have a drink

 

[satinbutterfly]

supply and demand doesn't effect the price of oil

and yes...sorry,i've had time off work and decorated a room on my own...tonights the last night i can have a drink

So what does exactly? Do tell. :24:

 

[retro]

and lets face it,you live for your car,you drive a mile to work,you think 30 to a gallon on a freeway is good, and by the sounds of it you dont like your kids to walk

Okay, you know what... now you're just completely out of line. You're acting like a completely obtuse and belligerent moron (note, I said acting like, not that you are, lest I get infracted here)

30 miles per gallon on the freeway is decent... I never said that it was "good". I drive a mile to work because I have places that I go after work, and yes I do have to pick my son up. My son lives 20 miles in the country, so it's not a matter of me not wanting him to walk. But thanks for the fucked up insinuation that I'm a bad parent. You're a real piece of work, you know that. You know absolutely nothing about economics, the way things are run in the United States, and most of all... you don't know a goddamn motherfucking thing about me. So why don't you stop with the pathetic strawman attacks on me as a person and focus instead on the fact that you're totally and completely motherfucking clueless.

 

[skyblue]

So what does exactly? Do tell. :24:

they lower production and raise prices,they raise production and prices go down.......the producers dictate the price because the rest of the world cant do without it

 

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they lower production and raise prices,they raise production and prices go down.......the producers dictate the price because the rest of the world cant do without it

God... go do a little bit of research, please. You continue to make yourself look like a fool. The price of oil is based on futures; which is in turn based on supply, economic and geopolitical issues, and a number of different factors. The price of gasoline is based on the price of oil, refining capabilities, supplies in reserve, and a whole ton of other factors. You're totally and completely myopic and have seem to lack a basic grasp of economics and commodities.

 

[skyblue]

God... go do a little bit of research, please. You continue to make yourself look like a fool. The price of oil is based on futures; which is in turn based on supply, economic and geopolitical issues, and a number of different factors. The price of gasoline is based on the price of oil, refining capabilities, supplies in reserve, and a whole ton of other factors. You're totally and completely myopic and have seem to lack a basic grasp of economics and commodities.

what you are saying is basically what i'm saying,no reserve prices go up so sellable production goes down

 

[retro]

what you are saying is basically what i'm saying,no reserve prices go up so sellable production goes down

It goes beyond that though, but you apparently can't understand that concept. You just claimed that supply and demand doesn't affect the price of gasoline... and then you turned around and said that it is. You're hilarious.

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[skyblue]

It goes beyond that though, but you apparently can't understand that concept. You just claimed that supply and demand doesn't affect the price of gasoline... and then you turned around and said that it is. You're hilarious.

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its not supply and demand,they set the prices full stop......they have the west over a barrel full stop.....excuse the pun