Alcoholics Anonymous

[Peter Parka]

And who isn't accepting the truth? I'd laugh, but it's kind of sad.

So you think that drinking a beer means you have an alcohol problem? I'd laugh but it's kind of sad.

 

[Joe the meek]

So you think that drinking a beer means you have an alcohol problem? I'd laugh but it's kind of sad.

Well, at least we both agree that it's sad:thumbup

 

[Panacea]

In general, people can become worried about their alcohol consumption and subsequent behavioral issues enough to think they're an alcoholic and seek treatment without actually being an alcoholic. This is usually the result of loved ones making comments when the drinking impacts them, or drinking related consequences. Many factors can trigger elevated alcohol consumption, even for long periods of time, besides alcoholism. A professional is the best person to determine that, not a dick on the internet, come on. The high road, seriously. smh

 

[skyblue]

i like a drink but rarely get drunk,plus i dont often drink if i'm working the next day

 

[Joe the meek]

In general, people can become worried about their alcohol consumption and subsequent behavioral issues enough to think they're an alcoholic and seek treatment without actually being an alcoholic. This is usually the result of loved ones making comments when the drinking impacts them, or drinking related consequences. Many factors can trigger elevated alcohol consumption, even for long periods of time, besides alcoholism. A professional is the best person to determine that, not a dick on the internet, come on. The high road, seriously. smh

That's Mr Dick to you:24:

Putting some of those part time grad courses to use, huh

That said, been around alcohol enough in my life that it's pretty easy to read between the lines. Heck, you don't even need a college education to know some of the basic "yes/no" questions.

Perhaps I'm just too old school where once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic, you just may control it better, but you're still rolling the dice.

 

[Panacea]

That's Mr Dick to you:24:

Don't think so.

Putting some of those part time grad courses to use, huh

I go part time because my mother is dying and my family needs my help to pay their bills and keep up the house/take care of her, try another insult.

That said, been around alcohol enough in my life that it's pretty easy to read between the lines. Heck, you don't even need a college education to know some of the basic "yes/no" questions.

One has to be licensed to make a diagnosis (administering a valid/reliable assessment and interpreting it based on clinical standards) anyone can infer or look up information, but what good is it? A guy on OTz thinks I'm an alcoholic because he can answer yes/no questions, must be true!

Perhaps I'm just too old school where once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic, you just may control it better, but you're still rolling the dice.

An alcoholic is never not an alcoholic, no, but a person with an alcohol problem may be so only temporarily. There is a clinical difference between a period of bad drinking patterns and alcoholism. I wouldn't bet I knew what scenario Peter falls under, but I don't let my ass speak for me.

 

[MjaneGibson]

Re: Alcoholiocs Anonymous

This is the point I have a problem with. If you believe in god, fine, it's good for you but if you dont then what? I really dont see any logic in having to believe in a god to overcome an addiction. Me personally - I found that I'm not an alcoholic, AA introduced me to a new drug though - smoking - they all sit round chain smoking, kind of hypocritical in my opinion and the more they talked about alcohol and the more I saw what boring people they all were, the more I fancied getting away for a few beers. Maybe it works with some people but it really wasn't for me.

Well, here is the issue...religion doesn't have to include God. If you're saying that at AA, they are specifically worshiping some God, then I certainly have a little bit of an issue with this. However, if you are simply speaking of AA as having a religion that simply strives for goodness in those that join, then I don't understand how you can NOT have that. It's like Pancea said...you need to have some sort of spirituality/support system/help/what-have-you in order for you to feel that you can overcome something as hard as Alcoholism. As far as the cigarette smoking, it's unfortunate, but that's often the way If you used to have a cocaine problem, and gave it up, now you drink instead...can't drink, so you smoke. cant smoke, so now you've gained 20 pounds. Lol...nature of the beast . I supposed its all relative really. It's really just a matter of judging what's worse, and going with the other.

 

[HK]

Re: Alcoholiocs Anonymous

Well, here is the issue...religion doesn't have to include God. If you're saying that at AA, they are specifically worshiping some God, then I certainly have a little bit of an issue with this. However, if you are simply speaking of AA as having a religion that simply strives for goodness in those that join, then I don't understand how you can NOT have that.

I don't know if you've read the other posts but I think someone mentioned a few pages back that the AA does specifically mention God in their 12 steps, several times. So they're definitely including him in their 'religion of striving for goodness' as you put it.

I agree with their general ethos, to help people battle addiction, but I don't agree with involving God like it's a given that everyone will have no problem accepting him. I couldn't say to what degree it matters to atheists who do end up in AA but I know it'd turn me off and I'm only agnostic.

 

[MjaneGibson]

Re: Alcoholiocs Anonymous

I don't know if you've read the other posts but I think someone mentioned a few pages back that the AA does specifically mention God in their 12 steps, several times. So they're definitely including him in their 'religion of striving for goodness' as you put it.

I agree with their general ethos, to help people battle addiction, but I don't agree with involving God like it's a given that everyone will have no problem accepting him. I couldn't say to what degree it matters to atheists who do end up in AA but I know it'd turn me off and I'm only agnostic.

I didn't read them no...I just saw his post and responded. I didn't mean "striving for goodness" to mean a relgion with God...the definition of religion itself is simply a set of beliefs concerning a common cause, or purpose so to speak...one which involves the Universe...not necessarily "God." Just wanted to say that because I don't think that people who do not necessarily believe in a specific God are not good. Just makin that clear!

I definitely don't think it should be involved either...at least not a specific God. I think focusing on the things around you...nature, caring...that kind of thing is what matters...not God, in this case.

 

[Peter Parka]

Re: Alcoholiocs Anonymous

Are you so easily brainwashed? Did you read Natasha's post Peter, he wasn't a religious man either, but he took what he needed from the program because he recognized that he needed the help. I think it takes a very courageous individual to be able to do that, so hats off to Natasha's dad.

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Thanks for participating

 

[Peter Parka]

Translation....I have no answer...lol...whatever. Truth is, I somewhat agree with you Peter, I never really knew that AA was like that. All I'm saying is that if you find yourself in need of help so badly that you'd turn to such a program...why not give it a chance? What have you got to lose?

I answered your questions.:dunno
I dont pretend to be something I'm not interested in pleasing a bunch of people who believe in fairy stories. If trying to dictate peoples beliefs is more important to AA than helping people overcome drinking problems, I dont like their attitude.

 

[Peter Parka]

Good for them but I'm not interested in being forced to believe fairy stories to get help. I'd rather go to a qualified professional than a religious cult.

 

[Peter Parka]

Oh and thanks for the rep Sadie but I hardly think someone with your level of inteligence is in any position to insult other peoples intelligence. :24: Good of you to be a big coward and do it secretly rather than out in the open where everyone can see.

 

[MjaneGibson]

Oh and thanks for the rep Sadie but I hardly think someone with your level of inteligence is in any position to insult other peoples intelligence. :24: Good of you to be a big coward and do it secretly rather than out in the open where everyone can see.

You're mighty grumpy this evening Mr. Parker. :nod:

 

[Peter Parka]

Not really, I just have no time for cowards who call me pre-school in secret. Especially when the person who does it is a middle aged woman who spends her days flirting with everything thats supposed to have a dick on the internet. Definate case of pot, kettle and black!

 

[Peter Parka]

I'm not in any corner. You're the one backing out because I've shown you up as the spiteful little coward that you are. Go back to looking for cock, reasonable debate is obviously beyond you.

 

[sexysadie]

I've deleted my posts because I'm sorry I even took the time to respond to you. You're a mean person Peter.

 

[Peter Parka]

If you can't take it, don't dish it out. At least unlike you, I'm not a coward and say what I think where everyone can see it instead of dishing out insults in secret.

 

[sexysadie]

I didn't dish it out in secret, I told you right here on the forum, all I said...........never mind Peter. Carry on.

 

[MjaneGibson]

If you can't take it, don't dish it out. At least unlike you, I'm not a coward and say what I think where everyone can see it instead of dishing out insults in secret.

Not cool Peter I think you and Sadie just have different opinions on the matter...no need for name calling though. Not trying to get involved, but insults need not fly...right?