Alcoholics Anonymous

[Panacea]

I wish my brother did something to help him. He died of alcohol 9 years ago. My other brother is on his way out aswell, if he don't stop. But I know he won't. So I am waiting for the bad day to come.

Very sorry to hear this Skorpy

 

[Joe the meek]

Re: Alcoholiocs Anonymous

For Peter, I'd ask why he attended AA for a week? And that is a question he has to answer honestly.

Honestly, I didn't expect an answer, particularly how this thread started out.

 

[Skorpy]

Very sorry to hear this Skorpy

Thanks

Just life, I suppose. Can be shitty sometimes

 

[NoDak]

I wish my brother did something to help him. He died of alcohol 9 years ago. My other brother is on his way out aswell, if he don't stop. But I know he won't. So I am waiting for the bad day to come.

Thanks

Just life, I suppose. Can be shitty sometimes

I'm sorry, Skorpy! Yes, like can be shitty. (((HUGS)))

 

[Peter Parka]

Honestly, I didn't expect an answer, particularly how this thread started out.

Sorry, been busy. I wasn't avoiding answeing you. I gave up after a week for the following reasons.
a - I'm not an alcoholic
b - I'm not prepared to accept there is a god without proof
c - People at AA are boring cunts and I'd rather kill myself now than live their boring life
d - The're hypocrites, the ammount of chain smoking they do would kill me long before the ammount of alcohol I drink would pack my liver up
e - They are complete pussies who wont take responsibility for their own actions
f - The more people talk about drink which I like so much, the more I want to have some. AA people are obsessed with the stuff

 

[Joe the meek]

Sorry, been busy. I wasn't avoiding answeing you. I gave up after a week for the following reasons.
a - I'm not an alcoholic
b - I'm not prepared to accept there is a god without proof
c - People at AA are boring cunts and I'd rather kill myself now than live their boring life
d - The're hypocrites, the ammount of chain smoking they do would kill me long before the ammount of alcohol I drink would pack my liver up
e - They are complete pussies who wont take responsibility for their own actions
f - The more people talk about drink which I like so much, the more I want to have some. AA people are obsessed with the stuff

Thank you for the elaborate response, but you still didn't answer my question.

The question was why did you attend AA for a week?

I will agree to an extent that it's ironic that people who are trying to kick an addiction will smoke and drink at meetings, but from my perspective, it can be a lesser of two evils, and you need to work on the bigger evil first (from my experiences, people who smoke already had that habit and did not take it up because they stopped drinking).

As for people being boring, what do you expect from people who have hit rock bottom, willing to admit that they have a problem, and try with all their will to better their lives? Ironic as well that you call these people "pussies" yet they go to these "boring" meetings admitting that they have a problem actually trying to seek help.

I also find it more than ironic that your first response was "I'm not an alcoholic" yet I didn't ask if you were.

 

[Peter Parka]

I went to AA meeting because I had a drink problem, AA is only for alcoholics.

 

[Skorpy]

I agree with Peter when it comes to not believing in 'God' I don't think it is fair that this should be rubbed in your face, when you're not a believer. So it should be said before hand. Because a non believer will be put off the group straight away, and the whole point of the group to this person is usless.

 

[Joe the meek]

I went to AA meeting because I had a drink problem, AA is only for alcoholics.

"Had" as in past tense? If so, you're a better man than I.

I'd suggest trying other meetings/locations if possible if the one you went to didn't "jive" with you. People being people, there are differences and a "feel" for the way various meetings are run.

 

[Joe the meek]

I agree with Peter when it comes to not believing in 'God' I don't think it is fair that this should be rubbed in your face, when you're not a believer. So it should be said before hand. Because a non believer will be put off the group straight away, and the whole point of the group to this person is usless.

I went for a VERY long time. Not once was "God" rubbed in your face. The person in question must decide what their "higher power" is. That said, as I had mentioned, for better or worse, some meetings are different than others due to people.

 

[Skorpy]

I went for a VERY long time. Not once was "God" rubbed in your face. The person in question must decide what their "higher power" is. That said, as I had mentioned, for better or worse, some meetings are different than others due to people.

Then this is a good place you went too.

I am not saying all these places are usless. But like I said, it is not nice when they do mention anything religious in these groups. This is not why people go to them, to hear about god and such. They go to talk, and for extra support, not to talk about religion.

 

[Kyle B]

I didn't even know that AA had a religious element to it.

 

[Peter Parka]

"Had" as in past tense? If so, you're a better man than I.

I'd suggest trying other meetings/locations if possible if the one you went to didn't "jive" with you. People being people, there are differences and a "feel" for the way various meetings are run.

I went to 4 different groups, the underlying religious cult theme ran through all of them.

 

[Joe the meek]

I went to 4 different groups, the underlying religious cult theme ran through all of them.

Normally I'd PM you, but apparently you aren't taking my PM's

I'd suggest looking for a sponsor and talking to them about it. If you took the time to go to 4 different groups and it wasn't "court ordered", you're admitting something and trying to do something about it, which is half the battle.

You had mentioned in another thread that you were recently at a pub. Assuming they serve alcohol in a pub, and making your recent comments about AA, you could be walking a very fine line.

 

[Peter Parka]

I really don't have any problem with alcohol now, I was talking about in the past.

 

[BornReady]

The person in question must decide what their "higher power" is.

I don't have a "higher power". I'm in control of my life. If I can't manage then I'm screwed. So far I've been managing very well. But if I ever have a problem with alcohol then it sounds like AA won't be any help to me.

 

[Joe the meek]

I don't have a "higher power". I'm in control of my life. If I can't manage then I'm screwed. So far I've been managing very well. But if I ever have a problem with alcohol then it sounds like AA won't be any help to me.

Have you ever lost your will to drinking or perhaps some other drug to the point that you've ruined your life? (and no, you don't have to end up in jail or lose your family to ruin your life)

Have you ever spent time around death to realize that in reality, to some extent none of us have absolute control over our life and none of us are promised tomorrow?

You seem like a pretty smart guy. Kudos to you for being in control of your life.

 

[BornReady]

No, I've never had a drink or drug problem. I'm a social drinker but I haven't gotten drunk since my college drinking games. That was about 20 years ago. My employer does random drug tests so I stay away from drugs.

I agree with you about death. Death doesn't discriminate.

Thanks for the kudos.

 

[Joe the meek]

I am not saying all these places are usless. But like I said, it is not nice when they do mention anything religious in these groups. This is not why people go to them, to hear about god and such. They go to talk, and for extra support, not to talk about religion.

As previously mentioned, I'd suggest you read "Alcoholics Anonymous". It will give you a better understanding of how and why the program was started. I don't think you will find ANY program that has a 100% success rate, and the fact is that society has been every evolving since the early 1900's since AA was founded, but look at the state run programs or "paid" private programs and let me know which one you think is "best" and why.

This may be hard to believe, but just talking about your problems and having the moral "support" of others is only going to get you so far if you do indeed have a dependence on alcohol.

 

[Joe the meek]

I really don't have any problem with alcohol now, I was talking about in the past.

And who isn't accepting the truth? I'd laugh, but it's kind of sad.