Why I think prayer is absolutely futile, and blasphemy.

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Re: Why prayer is absolutely futile, and blasphemy.

My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in
the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of
the earth, 16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days
ordained for me were written in your book before one of them
came to be.
That's open to a wide variety of interpretations. It could spell out second by second every decision you'll ever make. Or it could be full of blank pages waiting to be filled.
 
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Re: Why prayer is absolutely futile, and blasphemy.

The whole point of the Psalm that King David wrote is how much in awe he is over how intimately the Creator knows him (his creation) and how he (King David) wants the Lord to continue to guide him with His 'way' (God's everlasting truth / prophetic saying for Christ 'the way').
 

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That's open to a wide variety of interpretations. It could spell out second by second every decision you'll ever make. Or it could be full of blank pages waiting to be filled.
It clearly states that your life is predestined.
 

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If that's your interpretation, then fine. Mine is different. That's the beauty of faith/religion. It is what you want it to be.
Not quite. If it's god's OWN WORD, you must obey what he says. If you stray from this in any way you aren't following god.



All the days = Every day of your life and the days to come (future)
ordained for me = Days that were given to you by god

were written in your book before one of them
came to be = These days were thought out and made so by him to happen a certain way before you even live them out. So what you do tomorrow was already preconcieved by god.
 

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Not quite. If it's god's OWN WORD, you must obey what he says. If you stray from this in any way you aren't following god.



All the days = Every day of your life and the days to come (future)
ordained for me = Days that were given to you by god

were written in your book before one of them
came to be = These days were thought out and made so by him to happen a certain way before you even live them out. So what you do tomorrow was already preconcieved by god.
Nope. My perception of the book is this:

First day of your life: *Insert what choices you make*

all the way to

Last day of your life: *Insert what choices you make*


Every day can be written in the book, since he knows how long you'll live. It doesn't say what's on the pages.
 

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Nope. My perception of the book is this:

First day of your life: *Insert what choices you make*

all the way to

Last day of your life: *Insert what choices you make*


Every day can be written in the book, since he knows how long you'll live. It doesn't say what's on the pages.
were written in your book before one of them came to be : The days were written BEFORE you lived them out. Not afterwards

Plus you say:
"since he knows how long you'll live" and he knows this because its a part of his plan.
 

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I guess it is only ok for non-believers to take the Bible literally and out of context.

:jk

Sorry. I couldn't help myself! :ninja

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I guess it is only ok for non-believers to take the Bible literally and out of context.

:jk

Sorry. I couldn't help myself! :ninja

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Its there in black and white. I'm not taking it out of context.


Plus you HAVE TO take the bible literally. Do you really want to only half-believe god's perfect word? I mean, perfection is something to be taken literally. Modern Christians don't take it literally anymore because it can't fit into their lifestyle. Hence the famous quote "god is dead".
 

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No, to take the Bible literally without studying the words in their context, culture, time, who wrote it, who it was written to and other historical accounts facts/news/accounts is to make the Bible say something it was never meant to say which is what fanatics and non believers do in my educated opinion.
 

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No, to take the Bible literally without studying the words in their context, culture, time, who wrote it, who it was that wrote it and who it was it was being said to is to make the Bible say something it was never meant to say which is what fanatics and non believers do in my educated opinion.

I'm just directly reading what it says. God supposedly divinely inspired men to write down his eternal and perfect word.
 

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I've read the Bible right the way through and in my opinion, taken in context it quite clearly says that there is a predetermined number of 144,000 who are Gods slaves.
 

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No offense, Grace, but that sounds like a cop out to me.:)
No cop out hun. You should know me better than that. ;)

A little metaphoric story to represent:
“Twins, a sister and brother were talking to each other in the womb. The little sister said to the little brother, ‘I believe that there is life after birth!’ Her brother protested: ‘No, no, this is all there is. This is a dark and cozy place, and we have nothing else to do but to cling on to the cord that feeds us.’ But the little girl insisted: ‘There must be something more than this dark place, there must be something else where there is light and freedom to move.’ Still she could not convince her twin brother. Then...after some silence, she said hesitantly: ‘I have something else to say, and I am afraid you won’t believe that either, but I think there is a mother!’ Her little brother now became furious: ‘A mother, a mother, what are you talking about? I have never seen a mother and neither have you. Who put that idea in your head? As I told you, this place is all we have so let’s be content.’ The little sister finally said: ‘Don’t you feel this pressure sometimes? Its really unpleasant and sometimes even painful.’ ‘Yes,’ he answered, ‘what’s special about that?’ ‘Well,’ the sister said, ‘I think this pressure is there to get us ready for another place, much more beautiful than this, where we will see our mother face to face! Don’t you think that’s exciting!”
 

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Then perhaps Christ was wrong?

OR, if Christ was really god in human form, he....told people....to blaspheme against himself???

Your foundation is flawed. There are multipul examples in the Bible that go against your first premis.

And when you say "Christians" shouldn't pray, you really mean "religious people" doin't you? You wouldn't happen to have a soft spot in your heart for us now would ya? :)
 

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No cop out hun. You should know me better than that. ;)

A little metaphoric story to represent:
“Twins, a sister and brother were talking to each other in the womb. The little sister said to the little brother, ‘I believe that there is life after birth!’ Her brother protested: ‘No, no, this is all there is. This is a dark and cozy place, and we have nothing else to do but to cling on to the cord that feeds us.’ But the little girl insisted: ‘There must be something more than this dark place, there must be something else where there is light and freedom to move.’ Still she could not convince her twin brother. Then...after some silence, she said hesitantly: ‘I have something else to say, and I am afraid you won’t believe that either, but I think there is a mother!’ Her little brother now became furious: ‘A mother, a mother, what are you talking about? I have never seen a mother and neither have you. Who put that idea in your head? As I told you, this place is all we have so let’s be content.’ The little sister finally said: ‘Don’t you feel this pressure sometimes? Its really unpleasant and sometimes even painful.’ ‘Yes,’ he answered, ‘what’s special about that?’ ‘Well,’ the sister said, ‘I think this pressure is there to get us ready for another place, much more beautiful than this, where we will see our mother face to face! Don’t you think that’s exciting!”


Sorry, so does this mean the girl's had her eyes opened by Jesus but the brother hasn't? Why would Jesus pedjudice between them? Where would a baby girl with no access to knowledge get that idea from anyway, if it is nothing to do with Jesus?
 

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were written in your book before one of them came to be : The days were written BEFORE you lived them out. Not afterwards

Plus you say: "since he knows how long you'll live" and he knows this because its a part of his plan.
"All your days were written". I suppose there's no way that could mean it says:

July 17th, 2007 July 18th, 2007
*Your choices get filled in later* *Your choices get filled in later*

and so on.


You JUST said the Bible has to be taken literally. It says all your days are written, not everything you will do is written.
 
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