Why do you believe in God?

[pladecalvo]

Christianity is based on critical thinking.

:24: Man! That deserves reps if only for the laugh I got from it.

 

[luc154]

Hang on! You said in another thread..."But we have however the security and assurance of going into a world where there will be no more suffering." Can't you theist be consistent?


Please, please, please would just one theist produce these "eye-witness" accounts.

Not really! Lying means that you are making a deliberate attempt to deceive. People were just like you in that they believed it was true.

People who claim it are also under an obligation to produce evidence to support their claim

No! You believe he is right.

Sp what you are saying here is that in order to 'find' god you have to first believe in his existence. Isn't that rather circular?

Are yes!! The old .....you're not a Real Christian(tm) argument.

You really haven't read the gospels have you? Read first the eyewitness accounts, then come back.

 

[gillibean]

:24: Man! That deserves reps if only for the laugh I got from it.

Agreed! I mentioned it to a couple (atheist) friends and they are getting quite the giggle out of it too.

 

[gillibean]

You really haven't read the gospels have you? Read first the eyewitness accounts, then come back.

Those aren't eyewitness account. That's unproveable hearsay.

 

[pladecalvo]

Why should I not be? There is not one vers in the whole Bible that until now has proven to be false. Perhaps you can prove me wrong then and show me something out of the Bible to be untrustworthy?

The two different years of birth for your man god.
Jesus coming from Nazareth when Nazareth did not exist in the 1st century CE.
No record in Egyptian history for the "10 Plagues of Egypt."
No archaeological evidence whatsoever for the Exodus.
Numerous failed prophecies.
Uncountable contradictions.

That will do for a start.

 

[Obdurate]

Christiany IS NOT based on critical thinking. It's based on circular logic, fear and blind belief.

Gilli, don't throw every Christian into the same basket. It's insulting.

Besides that, carry on.

 

[luc154]

I don't have to prove you wrong, you are starting from an assumption. The burden of proof is on YOU! You are trying to build a skyscraper starting from the top. You are deliberately ignoring that there is nothing underneath the skyscraper to keep it up.

Don't you assume that there is no God?

 

[pladecalvo]

You really haven't read the gospels have you? Read first the eyewitness accounts, then come back.

Gillibean is correct. The Gospels are not eye-witness accounts. They are hearsay stories written by anonymous authors.

 

[gillibean]

Gilli, don't throw every Christian into the same basket. It's insulting.

Besides that, carry on.

I'm not saying all individual christians are like that at all.

 

[luc154]

Gillibean is correct. The Gospels are not eye-witness accounts. They are hearsay stories written by anonymous authors.

Who made you believe that?

 

[gillibean]

Don't you assume that there is no God?

I'm not assuming anything, merely waiting for the empirical proof.

 

[Obdurate]

That's just how that comment came off, is all. No worries.

 

[luc154]

Those aren't eyewitness account. That's unproveable hearsay.

Don't give a review of a book you haven't read. Read it first.

 

[gillibean]

That's just how that comment came off, is all. No worries.

I'm referring to the religion ( and it's origins) as a whole. Not specific christians. I know a few christians who would totally agree that it's not based on a tradition of critical thinking and an encouragement of questioning everything. That's not to say that people can't do that (they should, regardless of the traditions).

 

[gillibean]

Don't give a review of a book you haven't read. Read it first.

Read it several times. Don't makes assumptions about people.

 

[pladecalvo]

Who made you believe that?

The Gospels were written between 70CE and 110CE by anonymous authors. If, as you claim, they are eye-witness accounts that would mean that the first author (assuming they were roughly the same age as your man god) started writing at the age of around 70 years and the last was around 110 years old. How likely do you think it is that people would have lived to that age in the 1st century? Even if they did live to that age, how would you rate the accuracy of the accounts of a 110 year old man writing from memory about events that happened 80 years beforehand?

 

[luc154]

The Gospels were written between 70CE and 110CE by anonymous authors. If, as you claim, they are eye-witness accounts that would mean that the first author (assuming they were roughly the same age as your man god) started writing at the age of around 70 years and the last was around 110 years old. How likely do you think it is that people would have lived to that age in the 1st century? Even if they did live to that age, how would you rate the accuracy of the accounts of a 110 year old man writing from memory about events that happened 80 years beforehand?

Do you believe that they were eye-witness accounts? And if not, why not?

 

[luc154]

The Gospels were written between 70CE and 110CE by anonymous authors. If, as you claim, they are eye-witness accounts that would mean that the first author (assuming they were roughly the same age as your man god) started writing at the age of around 70 years and the last was around 110 years old. How likely do you think it is that people would have lived to that age in the 1st century? Even if they did live to that age, how would you rate the accuracy of the accounts of a 110 year old man writing from memory about events that happened 80 years beforehand?

Remember that God made man. He made the laws of physics, laws of nature, laws of etc...
Nothing is impossible for the Creator of all things.

 

[pladecalvo]

Do you believe that they were eye-witness accounts?

I would have thought that it was patently clear that I don't believe they are.

And if not, why not?

I've just told you in post 256.

 

[pladecalvo]

Remember that God made man. He made the laws of physics, laws of nature, laws of etc...
Nothing is impossible for the Creator of all things.

So that's it is it? That's your answer.... 'God did it'. That's your idea of the "critical thinking" that you claim Christians use.