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Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
its not that hard to see why some people are "liberal".
Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
its not that hard to see why some people are "liberal".
Why are you liberals, liberal . . .
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I should be getting some rep from Donnie for that.
huh
are you trying to kill this thread
you do realize that if there are two of us
then will never be the thread killers anymore cause we would keep it alive
maybe we should be the thread survirors
are you trying to kill this thread
you do realize that if there are two of us
then will never be the thread killers anymore cause we would keep it alive
maybe we should be the thread survirors
...I hope you using conservapedia is some sick joke
Why did the *cough*chicken*cough*AEF*cough* cross the road?
Whatever man
I dont put myself on a pedistal
I doesnt work that way
greater than thou...........
I dont put myself on a pedistal
I doesnt work that way
greater than thou...........
Dude, conservapedia? Dude.
Conservapedia is the perfect website for people who are unhappy with wikipedia's lack of bias...
Oh, this looks like an completely unbiased and impartial source. Thanks for the link
:eek Wait a minute...conservapedia is BIASED?! :wtf:
Donnie said it was rock hard truth!! :unsure:
:humm:Saaaaay, wait a minute...all I seem to recall now was "rock hard"
I'm watching you now, deltatango...:hey
Donnie said it was rock hard truth!! :unsure:
:humm:Saaaaay, wait a minute...all I seem to recall now was "rock hard"
I'm watching you now, deltatango...:hey
You make a lot of assumptions in your arguments.
Getting back to this. Now I am not permitted to say anything about you in general, but that statement there is a perfect example of how some people are completely ignorant about how their tax dollars are bieng spent. Do you REALLY believe that only 1.5% of your tax dollars are being spent on national healthcare? Seriously--because if you do, then I have a bridge to sell you. I suggest you find your goverment's web site because they'll have a summary of tax expenditures year by year for major categories.
That 1.5% is "earmarked" for healthcare, which means it must be spent on healthcare. However, the general tax fund can be spent on anything and I guarantee you that at leat 15% if not more of your tax dollars are funding your national healthcare. So if you make $50,000 a year, you are paying $7,500 a year for healthcare.
So you need to educate yourself--and that's not an insult, its a suggestion. Nothing is "free". Its costing you more to have nationaized healthcare than if you had a choice. And the quality suffers significantly as well, which is why you get the best healthcare in the US. People come from all over the world to have procedures they couldn't get anywhere else.
You mean that liberal fiscal policies are dumb? That's not an assumption, that's pretty much a statement of fact. I went through all the specific examples earlier on.
you do realize that the liberal ideology is far more than economics, right?
Yes, that's why I qualified it with "liberal fiscal policies." Other ideologies make much more sense--the farther you get a liberal away from economics, the better they can support their ideologies. The problem with many liberal fiscal policies are that they are based on emotional desire/social equality, etc., but are doomed to failure because economics doesn't bow to liberal ignorance--the laws of economics cannot be manipulated any more than can the laws of physics.
I can almost guarantee that you are incorrect. The medicare program accounts for 43% of the total budget for healthcare ($18 Billion AUD). Total Healthcare spending for FY2007-2008 was $40.1 Billion AUD, which represents around 4% of national GDP (source - General government expenses). So tell me how you got to the conclusion that Australians spend 15% of our taxes on Healthcare?
No. If 15% of our Tax dollars really went to healthcare, it would actually come to around $2253.75 for a person earning $50,000 (Thats with the Medicare Levy added to the amount), not $7,500.
The United States spends around $2 trillion on healthcare (amounts to about 19% of GDP) with a almost completely privatised system, and 47 million people are without insurance. Healthcare costs in the US are rising faster than wages or inflation, so how to you suppose this is cheaper than a nationalised system?
Even in Australia, private healthcare coverage for a family comes to around $118.16 a fortnight, (with the 30% Government Rebate added to the amount) that certainly isn't cheap, and what choices do you have in a privatised system?... Pay for coverage or get sick and die?
Uhm yeah, thats if you can afford it, I don't see a middle-class family in the United States getting 'the best healthcare in the world'. Hell, I don't see them even having health insurance.
By the way - PR-2000-43/ WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION : ASSESSES THE WORLD'S HEALTH SYSTEMS
The United States is ranked 37th. So much for the best healthcare in the world.
Actually when you tell people they need to go economic classes to get as informed as you.
The real beef Fox has is that universal health care represents a "social" program which is disgusting to most conservatives regardless if it is effective or not.
Why are you comparing it to GDP? Compare it to your governments total expenses--from your own link (see chart below), your country spent 221 billion (which is roughly equal to the tax revenues obviously) -- 40 billion was spned on healthcare, which means its 18% of your total expenditures/tax revenues. If you throw in Social Security and Welfare (another 91 billion), that's a whopping 60% of your government's expenditures. That's a helluva lot money coming out of the people who are actually working's paychecks every week. And that's the problem--most of them like you have no clue as to how much their government is pissing away of their hard earned money.
Math is not your strong suit, is it? 15% of $50,000 is $7,500 unless mathematics has changed in the last couple of days. But your actual healthcare costs are 18%, so a person earning $50,000 is paying $9,000 a year (on average) for healthcare--thats a helluva lot money. And here you thought it was only 1.5 percent--consider yourself educated.
Where in the world do you get that The US spends spends 2 trillion on healthcare? That's absurd--our total tax revenues for 2007 were about 2.5 trillion. We spend a little over 20% on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
United States federal budget, 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That's compared to 60% that you spend on that in Australia. So you spend 40% more of your money on healthcare and social security than we do.
Perhaps this is the first time you've been forced to actually learn the facts.
That's EXACTLY the point--we HAVE A CHOICE. Most people in the US spend 3 times as much on entertainment as it would cost for a healthcare plan-they choose to spend their money on something else. Many, many, many people CHOOSE not to have a healthcare plan because its cheaper to pay as you need it. Those that can't afford it (truly can't afford it as oppossed to a life style choice) have it provided for free. Conversely, in your socialized country, people aren't given a choice--they are focrced to fork over a large sum of money for healthcare and social security and welfare. Tell me how much money you'd have for retirement if you could put 60% of your pay away every year?
LOL!!! why don't you cite socialists weekly!!!
That ranking is based purely on the fact we don't force peopel to have healthcare--its doesn't rank the quality of care provided here--only a complete moore-on would dispute the quality of healthcare provided in the US as being any less than some of the best in the world. When people with money need the best healthcare in the world, they come to the US for it--go check out all the drugs at your local drug store, check who the manufacturer is and tell me what country they are headquarteded--you'll find the great majority of them are located in the US--why do you suppose that is? When you debate me you better come with facts, not garbage--that doesn't fly with me.
