Why are you liberals, liberal . . .

[Fox Mulder]

What are you talking about? The majority of Americans hold liberal views... there are very few "true conservatives"

Where do you get your support for that statement?

 

[Tim]

I think JFK said it best...

"If by a 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal.'

 

[Fox Mulder]

So what are you talking about, Liberals or Communists? They are not the same.

Actually, they are pretty much the same--where's the difference?

 

[Peter Parka]

Actually, it not about the attitudes its about the manner of accomplishing a goal. Liberals don't like the fact that some people have more than other people so they attempt to equalize by having the government take from the rich and give to the poor--the problem is that ends up hampering the economy--jobs are lost, tax revenue decreases, taxes need to be raised, etc. Communism has been tried--many times--its failed every time. There's a reason for that.

You need to study up, you're describing Communism, not Liberals.

 

[Fox Mulder]

I think JFK said it best...

JFK would not recognize the Democratic party today--in fact he's probably rolling over in his grave--he'd be ashamed of his loony brother.

 

[Fox Mulder]

You need to study up, you're describing Communism, not Liberals.

No--liberals want to tax the crap out of the "rich" and would do it if they could

 

[Peter Parka]

No--liberals want to tax the crap out of the "rich" and would do it if they could

You should probably start watching a credible news channel and stop basing your opinion on Fox!:24:

 

[Fox Mulder]

You should probably start watching a credible news channel and stop basing your opinion on Fox!:24:

I don't watch Fox News--in fact, if you're watching news, your being fed propoganda or do you believe the journalist is giving you his/her unbiased opinion?

And this country is very different than the UK--we have a Constitution that limits (or at least should limit) the extent to which government can abridge your rights--economic or civil. Liberals don't care about the economic rights. In fact, when the Constitution was enacted, the framers were careful to prohibit the federal government from instituting an income tax--there had to be an amendment to do that. The problem was at that time they realized how abusive a central government could be--which is why the State declared independence. Now--if England wants a bedwetter's society, that's fine, but the framers would NEVER have ratified the Constitution if they could have seen how much power the federal government was going to take--given to them primarily by judicial fiat over the past 75 years or so.

 

[Peter Parka]

I don't watch Fox News--in fact, if you're watching news, your being fed propoganda or do you believe the journalist is giving you his/her unbiased opinion?

And this country is very different than the UK--we have a Constitution that limits (or at least should limit) the extent to which government can abridge your rights--economic or civil. Liberals don't care about the economic rights. In fact, when the Constitution was enacted, the framers were careful to prohibit the federal government from instituting an income tax--there had to be an amendment to do that. The problem was at that time they realized how abusive a central government could be--which is why the State declared independence. Now--if England wants a bedwetter's society, that's fine, but the framers would NEVER have ratified the Constitution if they could have seen how much power the federal government was going to take--given to them primarily by judicial fiat over the past 75 years or so.

Oh the wonderful constitution written a couple of hundred years ago and which is getting more and more irrelevant in modern society.:smiley24:

Shame the constitution is even being violated against by the pro gun lobby even, isn't it? If you uphold it there shouldn't even be laws governing laws on age to have a gun or any weapon you want to own.
Not sure what exactly you mean by England wanting a bedwetter society, especially seeing England dosent even have its own government but alrighty then.:smiley24:

 

[Fox Mulder]

Oh the wonderful constitution written a couple of hundred years ago and which is getting more and more irrelevant in modern society.:smiley24:

Shame the constitution is even being violated against by the pro gun lobby even, isn't it? If you uphold it there shouldn't even be laws governing laws on age to have a gun or any weapon you want to own.
Not sure what exactly you mean by England wanting a bedwetter society, especially seeing England dosent even have its own government but alrighty then.:smiley24:

Again, I don't follow you on the guns/weapons--are you saying there should be laws prohibiting the ownership of guns or shouldn't be because of the 2nd Amendment?

 

[Peter Parka]

Again, I don't follow you on the guns/weapons--are you saying there should be laws prohibiting the ownership of guns or shouldn't be because of the 2nd Amendment?

The amendment says there shouldnt. I disagree because I think its wrong. I just think the different amendments thrown out by a lot of people as arguments who have no real understanding of them need some further amendments as they are already being violated by your laws.

 

[Fox Mulder]

The amendment says there shouldnt. I disagree because I think its wrong. I just think the different amendments thrown out by a lot of people as arguments who have no real understanding of them need some further amendments as they are already being violated by your laws.

Well, I happen to believe very strongly in the Constitution--it anchors the country so that no matter which party ends up in control, they can't do whatever they want--an amazing concept--in fact, America is one of the very few countries that have that concept and one of the few countries where political subdivisions (i.e., the states) retain a significant degree of autonomy. A good deal of that has been abridged over the years by judicial fiat.

 

[Peter Parka]

Well, I happen to believe very strongly in the Constitution--it anchors the country so that no matter which party ends up in control, they can't do whatever they want--an amazing concept--in fact, America is one of the very few countries that have that concept and one of the few countries where political subdivisions (i.e., the states) retain a significant degree of autonomy. A good deal of that has been abridged over the years by judicial fiat.

So you would then agree that 5 years olds should be allowed to own RPGs seeing as it's protected as a right by an amendment?

The constitutions on that score sound very alarming to me!:willy_nilly:

 

[Meirionnydd]

I asked you first--you claim those specific things help the poor--tell me how.

What? The benefits of programs such as welfare, public housing and universal healthcare to the poor are pretty obvious.

You're the one that asserted at the start of this thread that 'liberal fiscal policies' hurt the poor, now tell me how.

Actually, they are pretty much the same--where's the difference?

Stop watching fox news

 

[Tim]

Well, I happen to believe very strongly in the Constitution--it anchors the country so that no matter which party ends up in control, they can't do whatever they want--an amazing concept--in fact, America is one of the very few countries that have that concept and one of the few countries where political subdivisions (i.e., the states) retain a significant degree of autonomy. A good deal of that has been abridged over the years by judicial fiat.

If that statement is true, then you should absolutely hate the Republican party right now... Wasn't it Bush that said it was only a god damned piece of paper?

I think you need to be a little more clear in what your asking...

Am I a Liberal? No, not in the way you think. But I am much more aligned with the Progressive movement and their views than the current conservative ideology.
Since you talk about how screwed up the liberals in this country are right now, then you should also talk about the current state of the conservative party and not how they are supposed to be. And right now... the conservative party is screwed up. This country is an absolute mess because of Bush and his conservative buddies. So tell me why it's so great to be a conservative today. Shed some light for us liberals why the 75% of the population are wrong for disapproving of Bush. Show us how the country is doing better economically. And explain to me why so many republicans are crossing party lines to vote for a democratic presidential nominee.

 

[Pudding Time]

Communism has been tried--many times--its failed every time. There's a reason for that.

LOL!!!

Yes there is a reason why Communism has failed, and you have failed to mention it..

 

[Fox Mulder]

I'll respond to all of ya later--busy at the time.

 

[groundpounder]

Liberal - label
Conservative - label
Right wing - label
Left wing - label

Everyone uses them, the left and the right. In this thread, even. On themselves. And others......

Labels blow chow....

 

[FreeWorkVest]

I am a liberal in the sense that Mulder is talking about.

I am a liberal because I believe the government has a resposibility to protect and provide for those who cannot or will not protect and provide for themselves.

I am a liberal because I believe that those who are enriched by the government have a moral responsibility to return the favor (IE taxes)

I believe that the wealthiest country in the world should have NO : homelessness, starvation, people dying because they could not afford healthcare, illiterate or uneducated citizens.

 

[GraceAbounds]

Liberal - label
Conservative - label
Right wing - label
Left wing - label

Everyone uses them, the left and the right. In this thread, even. On themselves. And others......

Labels blow chow....

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Agree'd ... they are divisive