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I really don't think Tempermental is interested in what were the words from the move -- something to the effect:

I'm not interest in the age of rocks, I'm interested in the rock of ages.

Counted find direct quote from the movie "Inherit the Wind."
 
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All Else Failed said:
This statement PROVES that you didn't look at my data thoroughly. The animal problem is only a little part of it all. They go into everything to geology to hydrology for pages. But, I can't expect a person so hardened in their beliefs to accept anything.


And to be honest, the statement of "its true because it's in the Koran!" is BS. I'm sorry , but thats such an intellectual cop out. Just because its in a old book doesn't mean anything at all. It has to have testable data behind it, which it does not. All it has is myths and half baked predictions that "seem" to fit in with some geological findings (which also are skewed).
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lol omg you didn't have to post all of it...I was just joking about the 3 second thingy...
and fyi the Quran is not just any old book, it's the word of God, and I can prove it if you want.
 
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ok I just asked my dad and he told me that the Quran didn't say that world wide flood happened, we dont know, only a flood in the place the Prophet Noah was in happened.
 
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I thought you read it all; it says right here that it wasn't a universal flood:

Compared to the flood accounts contained in Jewish scriptures, and indeed the various cultural beliefs of other peoples, the Qur'anic account, which was revealed by Allah and is the only divine text to have remained uncorrupted, stands as the most reliable of all these accounts. The Torah, a corrupted text, says that this flood was universal and covered the whole world. On the contrary, it appears from the relevant verses that the flood was a regional one and punished not the whole world but only the tribe that rejected the Prophet Nuh (as). Those who were destroyed in it were the people who rejected the message of the Prophet Nuh (as) and persisted in their denial. There is no indication in the Qur'an that the flood was universal. The verses on the subject read:
We sent Nuh to his people: "I am a clear warner to you. Worship none but Allah. I fear for you the punishment of a painful day." (Qur'an, 11:25-26)
But they denied him so We rescued him and those with him in the Ark. And We drowned the people who denied Our Signs. They were a blind people. (Qur'an, 7:64)
So We rescued him and those with him by mercy from Us, and We cut off the last remnant of those who denied Our Signs and were not believers. (Qur'an, 7:72)

http://miraclesofthequran.com/historical_06.html
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Temperamental said:
I thought you read it all; it says right here that it wasn't a universal flood:

Compared to the flood accounts contained in Jewish scriptures, and indeed the various cultural beliefs of other peoples, the Qur'anic account, which was revealed by Allah and is the only divine text to have remained uncorrupted, stands as the most reliable of all these accounts. The Torah, a corrupted text, says that this flood was universal and covered the whole world. On the contrary, it appears from the relevant verses that the flood was a regional one and punished not the whole world but only the tribe that rejected the Prophet Nuh (as). Those who were destroyed in it were the people who rejected the message of the Prophet Nuh (as) and persisted in their denial. There is no indication in the Qur'an that the flood was universal. The verses on the subject read:
We sent Nuh to his people: "I am a clear warner to you. Worship none but Allah. I fear for you the punishment of a painful day." (Qur'an, 11:25-26)
But they denied him so We rescued him and those with him in the Ark. And We drowned the people who denied Our Signs. They were a blind people. (Qur'an, 7:64)
So We rescued him and those with him by mercy from Us, and We cut off the last remnant of those who denied Our Signs and were not believers. (Qur'an, 7:72)

http://miraclesofthequran.com/historical_06.html
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Ohhhh so you go from a global flood to a more localized flood huh?


Yes, there was a large flood in that region long ago, like I said pages ago. But that doesn't mean the story of noah and the ark is even remotely true.
 
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because i didnt know i just asked my dad and he said it wasnt universal. The story of Noahs Ark is true because there was a huge flood in that place, so there's the evidence.
 
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All Else Failed said:
No, thats just evidence of a localized flood. Not of the actual Noah or the ark itself.
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BUT based on their limited knowledge of the world around them, a localized flood would SEEM like a world-wide flood to them if it flooded their known world. :dunno
 
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Temperamental said:
ok I just asked my dad and he told me that the Quran didn't say that world wide flood happened, we dont know, only a flood in the place the Prophet Noah was in happened.
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Why do you believe so ferverently in a book that you obviously havent read and need to ask your Dad about?
 
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All Else Failed said:
go ahead.

I want testable, empirical proof.
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OK, here's your proof:

1. The Holy Quran is approximately 1,429 years old. 1,429 years ago, we did not have the technology we have today, so we didn't know what we know today. In the Quran, God described many scientific, mathematical, and historical information that no one could have known at that time. If you want a describtion of that information which was in the Quran, then go on: Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an

2. The Holy Quran is perfect. There isn't one scientific fact in the Holy Quran that has been proven wrong by science. As modern science is expanding and discovering new things, it's backing up the facts in the Holy Quran. Also, there are no literary mistakes what so ever in the Holy Quran.

3. No one can produce a work like the Holy Quran. You see, if it was the word of man, then people could have produced something like it, but it's the word of God.

From the literary point of view, the Koran is regarded as a specimen of the purest Arabic, written on half poetry and half prose. It has been said that in some cases grammarians have adopted their rules to agree with certain phrases and expressions used in it, and that though several attempts have been made to produce a work equal to it as far elegant writing is concerned, none has as yet succeeded.245
(Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an)​

I believe in the Holy Quran with all of my soul, brain, and heart. I studied the existance of God, and I came to conclude that there is a God. Then I had to chose a right religion that's peaceful and 100% accurate, thus I converted to Islam. When you look at it from all sides, you can easily find out that there is a God because everything leads to Gods existance. I believe in heaven and I believe in hell. Heaven to reward those who followed the right path on this earth, and hell for those who committed crimes like Hitler, Saddam, Binladen, etc. God won't send humans to hell if they made a mistake, God will send humans to hell if they committed unforgivable crimes. Once I asked for Gods help, He gave me guidance and lead me to the right path. God is all wise, all merciful, and all forgiving.​
 
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