Trayvon Martin - Analysis of Known Evidence

[Tangerine]

I've noticed a number of articles lately about a number of witnesses who have changed details of their original statements to investigators. Not much of it seemed extremely significant, but I'm curious why so many? I wonder if that's normal in a high-profile case like this, or if this one has some special "thing" because of the charged nature where people were quick to offer a "slanted" version of what they saw, but later felt the need to soften up?

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Goes back to my point that witness statements should not be treated as evidence until they have been tested under cross-examination in a court of law.

 

[The Man]

The shooting is justified in your opinion, so any dishonesty to avoid due process would be justifiable, I guess.

How would being out on bail avoid due process unless he ran?

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

If you're willing to defraud the court system into allowing you a bond amount that is far easier to raise than intended, what else are you willing to lie about.?

 

[The Man]

If you're willing to defraud the court system into allowing you a bond amount that is far easier to raise than intended, what else are you willing to lie about.?

That doesnt answer my question...How does him being out on bond avoid due process?

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

I still find it strange and disturbing how cheaply you can take a life in America. The notion that a suspected murderer can walk the streets unhindered until his trial is scary.One can only hope that he is not permitted to participate in any more vigilante patrols while at large awaiting trial.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

That doesnt answer my question...How does him being out on bond avoid due process?

Due process. Suspect is arrested and charged. Depending on the circumstances of the alleged crime, the judge has the option of granting bail, which he sets at a level consistent with the defendant's assets. What part of this legal process don't you understand?

 

[The Man]

I still find it strange and disturbing how cheaply you can take a life in America. The notion that a suspected murderer can walk the streets unhindered until his trial is scary.One can only hope that he is not permitted to participate in any more vigilante patrols while at large awaiting trial.

That sounds like you believe in guilty until proven innocent.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Not at all. I believe that everyone that is accused of a capital crime, particularly those who are known to have killed, should be treated as potentially dangerous until the facts have been adequately examined.

 

[The Man]

Due process. Suspect is arrested and charged. Depending on the circumstances of the alleged crime, the judge has the option of granting bail, which he sets at a level consistent with the defendant's assets. What part of this legal process don't you understand?

He was arrested and charged..Then bonded out awaiting trial...there was due process in that regard.
Due process also includes a bond hearing which he had and got out.
Next is go to trial and await the verdict?
So again how does George being out on bond effect due process?

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Are you drunk or just stupid?

If a defendant conceals assets in order to lower bail conditions, He is going to be able to make bail far more easily than was intended by the judge.

 

[The Man]

Not at all. I believe that everyone that is accused of a capital crime, particularly those who are known to have killed, should be treated as dangerous until the facts have been adequately examined.

You do understand it was a claim of self defense ..with the state having nothing to show murder correct?
So if you have to kill someone in self defense your life should go down the shitter regardless?

 

[The Man]

Are you drunk or just stupid?

If a defendant conceals assets in order to lower bail conditions, He is going to be able to make bail far more easily than was intended by the judge.

Whats wrong with that?
Unless you are suggesting imposing a bail to high for the defendant to make and be out on bond?
Then even why have a hearing?
I thought you supported due process

 

[The Man]

Are you drunk or just stupid?

If a defendant conceals assets in order to lower bail conditions, He is going to be able to make bail far more easily than was intended by the judge.

And how does that deny due process for the defendant?
{which is the original argument by the way}

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

And how does that deny due process for the defendant?
{which is the original argument by the way}

If that was your original argument, that is what you should have written.

Why would anyone lie to secure bail unless they intended to run?

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

At best, fraudulently manipulating the bail system demonstrates that either Zimmerman or his legal team are not willing to participate openly in the judicial process. We may never know what really happened if the only available testimony is that of a man who has already shown willingness to lie .

 

[The Man]

If that was your original argument, that is what you should have written.

Why would anyone lie to secure bail unless they intended to run?

Did he run?....No
He lied so it wouldnt be so high he would be stuck in jail awaiting trial.

If he was gonna run he would have never turned himself in in the beginning

 

[The Man]

At best, fraudulently manipulating the bail system demonstrates that either Zimmerman or his legal team are not willing to participate openly in the judicial process. We may never know what really happened if the only available testimony is that of a man who has already shown willingness to lie .

When have you ever believed Zimmerman?

Anyway.
Would you rather be out on bond...or in jail awaiting trial?
You know all the people in there wanting to kill you and all.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

You know all the people in there wanting to kill you and all.

Your girly melodramatics don't impress anyone.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Did he run?....No
He lied so it wouldnt be so high he would be stuck in jail awaiting trial.

If he was gonna run he would have never turned himself in in the beginning

So, you're happy to admit that he's a liar? If the judge had known that at the bail hearing, he'd be locked up, no question. And as to the running.....only an amateur runs when he can live the life of an innocent man until the day before the trial starts.