Trayvon Martin - Analysis of Known Evidence

[CityGirl]

It appears the autopsy report shows gun fired from an "intermediate" range. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...e-autopsy-shows?chromedomain=openchannel&lite I've read several forensics sites. There is a lot of disparity in what defines "intermediate". I've read the closest distance for "intermediate" is as close as 10 mm and as far as 4ft.


An intermediate range gunshot, like that seen in the above image, can range from just beyond the 12-inch range out to 24 to 36 inches. http://www.firearmsid.com/A_distanceResults.htm

According to this source, "For handguns, powder tattooing begins at a muzzle-target distance of approximately 10 mm." pg 71 Gunshot Wounds: Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques (2nd edition 1999)

This site has distances classified as contact, near-contact,intermediate or distant. http://www.relentlessdefense.com/our-team/


Intermediate-range gunshot wounds are inflicted at a distance from 1 cm to 4 ft and characteristically are associated with tattooing from burned and unburned gunpowder imbedded in the skin. http://atlas-emergency-medicine.org.ua/ch.17.htm

Some sources seem to use "near contact" and "intermediate" interchangeably.

 

[Pat1]

Yeah the "intermediate" range does seem to be all over the place when it comes to exact distance. I have read they estimate 2 to 4 inches up to 8 inches. I also read that 90% of all self defense gun shots are under 21 inches. Don't really know what that proves but I'm sure they will come up with a final number.

 

[The Man]

:dunno a dead body :dunno

Wow
So for every dead body there has been a murder
Why do you post this tripe?
Again Tim.....do you have any evidence of a murder?

 

[Johnfromokc]

Court docs: Trayvon Martin shooting 'ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman'

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_n...ooting-ultimately-avoidable-by-zimmerman?lite

Another police report indicated that Sanford police thought Zimmerman was at fault, even though they let him go after questioning him.

"Investigation reveals that Martin was in fact running generally in the direction of where he was staying as a guest in the neighborhood," it said.

 

[Tim]

Court docs: Trayvon Martin shooting 'ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman'

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_n...ooting-ultimately-avoidable-by-zimmerman?lite

Holy crap that was a lot of reading...

One thing I noticed in ALL of the eye witness reports, not one person said anything about Martin "bashing" the head of Zimmerman into the pavement... not even a mention of it...

 

[The Man]

Holy crap that was a lot of reading...

One thing I noticed in ALL of the eye witness reports, not one person said anything about Martin "bashing" the head of Zimmerman into the pavement... not even a mention of it...

How many saw the fight Tim....from beginning to end

 

[The Man]

As a matter pf fact Tim..witnesses only see Zimmerman being beat up correct.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

As a matter pf fact Tim..witnesses only see Zimmerman being beat up correct.

no witness testimony has yet been cross-examined. Until the case comes to court, statements are just that, nothing more.

 

[The Man]

no witness testimony has yet been cross-examined. Until the case comes to court, statements are just that, nothing more.

Of course they havent been cross examined ...troll.
My statement went as follows

"As a matter of fact Tim..witnesses only see Zimmerman being beat up correct."
You sound like a school yard girl with your posts...you really should consider changing your posting style.

 

[Aeval]

How many saw the fight Tim....from beginning to end

Did you see it?

 

[Johnfromokc]

Did you see it?

It's pretty hard to see anything from TM's position.

 

[All Else Failed]

No one saw it besides a few eye witnesses who saw parts of it


so


none of us saw it


soooooo

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Of course they havent been cross examined ...troll.
My statement went as follows

"As a matter of fact Tim..witnesses only see Zimmerman being beat up correct."
You sound like a school yard girl with your posts...you really should consider changing your posting style.

Sorry that the facts don't fit your prejudice.
There's nothing remotely trolling about pointing out the obvious flaw in your mantra.
You've repeatedly used emotive phrases to describe what you would like to think happened.
None of it is worth a flying fuck unless it is sufficiently factual to withstand robust cross-examination.

Much as you'd like some of the baloney that you have claimed as incontrovertible evidence to be true, I'm predicting that it will fall to bits in court just as quickly as it has fallen to bits here.

 

[The Man]

Sorry that the facts don't fit your prejudice.
There's nothing remotely trolling about pointing out the obvious flaw in your mantra.
You've repeatedly used emotive phrases to describe what you would like to think happened.
None of it is worth a flying fuck unless it is sufficiently factual to withstand robust cross-examination.

Much as you'd like some of the baloney that you have claimed as incontrovertible evidence to be true, I'm predicting that it will fall to bits in court just as quickly as it has fallen to bits here.

No prejudice here ...there are witnesses that see martin on top of George.
The injuries support George being on the bottom.
Are you having trouble accepting that?

 

[All Else Failed]

He will walk with a light sentence if any.

 

[Johnfromokc]

He's already heading back to jail for lying to the court:

George Zimmerman was ordered back to jail on Friday for misleading the court at his bond hearing about his finances.

Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester revoked the bail for Zimmerman — who is facing a second-degree murder charge in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin of Miami Gardens — after finding that Zimmerman and his wife concealed their access to a $200,000 account during a bail hearing in April.

Zimmerman, who was not present at Friday’s hearing, now must surrender to Seminole County sheriff’s deputies by Sunday afternoon.

During a later bail hearing, Shellie Zimmerman said she was unaware of any money available for her husband’s bail. When prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked how much money was in the PayPal account, she said she didn’t know.

In fact, prosecutors said, the couple had access to as much as $135,000 at the time. Based in part on the testimony that Zimmerman was indigent, the judge agreed to release Zimmerman on $150,000 bail.

“The defendant’s wife lied to this court,” de la Rionda said at Friday’s hearing. Zimmerman, he added, “just sat there as his wife lied under oath.”

The prosecutor also said Zimmerman misled his lawyer, Mark O’Mara, who was unaware of the PayPal account at the time of the bond hearing.

Judge Lester reached the same conclusion, revoking Zimmerman’s bond on the grounds that he was not truthful during the bond hearing. The judge also said he was surprised that prosecutors had not brought charges against Zimmerman’s wife.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/01/2827932/judge-orders-zimmerman-back-to.html#storylink=cpy

 

[itsmeJonB]

If I was a juror, and that lie had come to light id seriously question the value of his word

 

[All Else Failed]

he'll walk

 

[The Man]

He's already heading back to jail for lying to the court:

Its a shame he had to lie to get his bail low enough to get out of jail.
Cant really blame him though..if the special prosecutor is gonna lie ..why cant I?
"Why am I here to begin with?"...The lie is justified IMO.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

The shooting is justified in your opinion, so any dishonesty to avoid due process would be justifiable, I guess.