Trayvon Martin - Analysis of Known Evidence

[Kakapo Dundee]

..doesnt give martin the right to try to kill the watchman

No evidence that he ever did. A question for you. Was Zimmerman in uniform?

 

[The Man]

No evidence that he ever did. A question for you. Was Zimmerman in uniform?

You seem to conveniently overlook the brutal assault on Zimmerman....doesn't matter if he was in uniform or not..he was brutally assaulted

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

I'm doing my best to forgive you for being an ignorant piece of shit yesterday, perhaps you could meet me half way by answering the question?

 

[The Man]

I did

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

You may believe that you did, but I think a yes or no answer would be more revealing.

 

[harley]

There is plenty of evidence that Zimmerman was attacked and was trying to get away. More evidence came out today. Too many people buying into the media biased.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

The silence just got deafening.

I suspect that the Mam has spotted the knockout punch that I telegraphed to him and is cowering behind the referee.


If both men were in plain clothes, we must confer the same rights on both of them. If Zimmerman is allowed to presume that Trayvon Martin had criminal intent, surely Trayvon Martin had as much right, if not more, to presume that the un-uniformed and armed man who was following him also had criminal intent?

 

[JR33]

Maybe The Man doesn't like being called an ignorant piece of shit. How about being a little more civil when you are losing a debate.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

When it happens, I might.

Your post explains exactly why you are not a credible debater. I did not call the Man 'an ignorant piece of shit.'

I said I'm doing my best to forgive you for being an ignorant piece of shit yesterday.

If you had taken the trouble to find the post that I was referring to, you'd be hard pressed to dispute the facts.

 

[JR33]

Mere technicality you are trying to use to cover your rude behaviour.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Mere technicality you are trying to use to cover your rude behaviour.

Why am I not surprised that a Zimmerbot sees facts as Mere technicalities?

Are you that fucking stupid?
Hitting ones head on the cement hard enough to cause wounds is very serious.
And again...are you that fucking stupid?

Can you explain what this is, if 'being an ignorant piece of shit yesterday' doesn't cover it?

Or is obnoxious behaviour only permissible by Zimmerbots?

 

[Minor Axis]

Zimmerman had as much right to walk through his neighborhood as Martin. Truth is neither one was breaking any laws. It may have been stupid to get out of his SUV but not illegal. What is illegal is assaulting someone. Zimmerman made the claim he was attacked and was defending himself. In Florida the burden of proof is on the prosecution to show otherwise. What proof does the prosecution have? According to the lead investigator, under oath, they have no proof.

Right now we don't see any witnesses corroborating Zimmerman's assertion that he walked back to his car and was followed by Travyon who initiated the attack. That story doesn't even make any sense because Zimmerman was on the phone with the 9-1-1 dispatcher being told not to follow Martin, but he did anyway. Martin's friend has been reported on the phone with him telling us that Martin said he was being followed by a strange man. If he could see where Martin was headed and how he appeared to be on drugs, how then does that turn into Martin was the one who started following him him? The story does not add up. Based on what has been reported it appears that Zimmerman was the aggressor with a gun, who ended up shooting another person just minding their own business, because they "looked suspicious", most likely cause he wore a hoody and was black.

 

[harley]

None of what you say has been proven. Zimmerman's claims self defense and now it is up to the State of Florida to prove otherwise. The prosecution has the burden of proof. They can't prove Zimmerman wasn't walking back to his SUV, not with what is known. So unless the prosecution has other evidence, and they could, they don't have a case so far. The arrest was most likely a political move.

 

[Johnfromokc]

The P&D section now requires that you have 100 posts before you can access it.

This should help combat trollish posts by people creating multiple accounts.

If you have any questions, let me know.

Looks like the trolls are still slipping through.

 

[JR33]

The only eyewitness supports Zimmerman's story. Everything that is known for fact also supports Zimmerman's account.

 

[Minor Axis]

The arrest was most likely a political move.

Really now. Let's say it was a black hooded teenage who had shot Zimmerman, then what would it be? First of all the black hooded teenager would have been arrested on the spot...

The only eyewitness supports Zimmerman's story. Everything that is known for fact also supports Zimmerman's account.

The communications are known for a fact and it points to Zimmerman going after someone who he thought was suspicious and he had the gun.

 

[Big Al1]

So what. Even if he did follow him and legally possess a handgun it doesn't prove he murdered Martin.

 

[Minor Axis]

So what. Even if he did follow him and legally possess a handgun it doesn't prove he murdered Martin.

Look at the known facts. Was there a crime that Zimmerman needed to act upon? Sorry but walking through a neighborhood minding your own business does not qualify. I have a hoody too, but as a white man I don't worry on the street about being accused of being a potential crime perp and confronted. What did the 911 Operator tell Zimmerman to do? Who caused the confrontation? Who carried the gun?

Even if Martin, who felt harassed after Zimmerman got out of his truck, threw the first punch and started beating on Zimmerman, does this justify Zimmerman shooting Martin? Maybe in your mind it does, but in mine, based on the string of events, to maintain our standard of justice, all it proves is that there needs to be a trial.

 

[The Man]

Look at the known facts. Was there a crime that Zimmerman needed to act upon? Sorry but walking through a neighborhood minding your own business does not qualify. I have a hoody too, but as a white man I don't worry on the street about being accused of being a potential crime perp and confronted. What did the 911 Operator tell Zimmerman to do? Who caused the confrontation? Who carried the gun?

Even if Martin, who felt harassed after Zimmerman got out of his truck, threw the first punch and started beating on Zimmerman, does this justify Zimmerman shooting Martin? Maybe in your mind it does, but in mine, based on the string of events, to maintain our standard of justice, all it proves is that there needs to be a trial.

Is there any evidence of a murder?

 

[Tim]

Is there any evidence of a murder?

:dunno a dead body :dunno