Tired of illegal immigrants?

[IntruderLS1]

Ah Tim... You broke up our last word game.

Oh well. He would have won anyway. (Some guys never shut up) (BURN!!)

Back on topic.

Staged withdrawal. Offer a plan two years long. Stage increases every three months, with the final step making it so difficult for businesses and individuals to hire illegals, that nobody would be willing to do it anymore.

Offer free re-location assistance. A bus ride and a meal. U.S. citizens (i.e. children) would obviously maintain their legal status. They would be welcome to either go back with their families, or stay and go into our system.

Offer incentives for the parents to take them home. $300 per person checking out of the country in an orderly fashion (including U.S. children going back with their families). It may sound expensive, but it is FAR cheaper than the amount each of them cost us each year on average.

Hopefully they'll go reform Mexico and make it into the great country it should be. Corruption is the only thing killing them down there. If the people would take back the government, Mexico would be one of the most successful countries in the world.

 

[All Else Failed]

Ah Tim... You broke up our last word game.

Oh well. He would have won anyway. (Some guys never shut up) (BURN!!)

Back on topic.

Staged withdrawal. Offer a plan two years long. Stage increases every three months, with the final step making it so difficult for businesses and individuals to hire illegals, that nobody would be willing to do it anymore.

Offer free re-location assistance. A bus ride and a meal. U.S. citizens (i.e. children) would obviously maintain their legal status. They would be welcome to either go back with their families, or stay and go into our system.

Offer incentives for the parents to take them home. $300 per person checking out of the country in an orderly fashion (including U.S. children going back with their families). It may sound expensive, but it is FAR cheaper than the amount each of them cost us each year on average.

Hopefully they'll go reform Mexico and make it into the great country it should be. Corruption is the only thing killing them down there. If the people would take back the government, Mexico would be one of the most successful countries in the world.

If you look at history, usually kicking an entire people out of the country isn't such a grand idea. This plan would never ever work, especially in America.

 

[Charmer]

I don't get it:

They hiked over here from Mexico and now people say that they don't have the means to relocate back where they came from?!!

I would say, you walked over here into the United States, now walk your ass back the way you came from to Mexico. Is that too hard?

Oh, that's right, we have the bleeding-heart Illegal advocates who feel "oh so sorry" for the poor ILLEGALS who came here ILLEGALLY. Doesn't make sense and it never will, but it'll never change. No assimilation necessary, no need to speak English ever, just walk over the border and the U.S. government will give you everything free and keep giving you everything free and La Raza will keep you safe with their protests and their lawyers while idotic city Mayors and city churches will dub their cities and churches "safe havens" for the law-breaking Illegals.

Jesus, what a fucked-up system!

I swear I'm going to start robbing banks and have my lawyer use the same defense as the Illegals do.

Now excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall! :wtf:

 

[Charmer]

If you look at history, usually kicking an entire people out of the country isn't such a grand idea. This plan would never ever work, especially in America.

Why was it allowed to happen in the first place?

So, we all are just supposed to give up now, huh?

 

[IntruderLS1]

If you look at history, usually kicking an entire people out of the country isn't such a grand idea. This plan would never ever work, especially in America.

Please site examples.

What part specificaly about my plan do you think would fail?

 

[Peter Parka]

Please site examples.

Pakistan and India springs instantly to mind

 

[All Else Failed]

Please site examples.

What part specifically about my plan do you think would fail?

See: Jews


All of it would fail. The American public would see it for what it is: Authoritarian and too heavy handed.




Offer free re-location assistance. A bus ride and a meal. U.S. citizens (i.e. children) would obviously maintain their legal status. They would be welcome to either go back with their families, or stay and go into our system.


So you're willing to forcefully split families up? Even with the option for them to go back with their parents, you would be sending them back into poverty, and whatever happens to them, their blood would be on your hands.



Offer incentives for the parents to take them home. $300 per person checking out of the country in an orderly fashion (including U.S. children going back with their families). It may sound expensive, but it is FAR cheaper than the amount each of them cost us each year on average.


Again, putting a price on humans, just to send them back into a corrupt, impoverished, polluted, violent nation. This is irresponsible.



Hopefully they'll go reform Mexico and make it into the great country it should be. Corruption is the only thing killing them down there. If the people would take back the government, Mexico would be one of the most successful countries in the world.


Reforming an entire nation isn't easy, especially since most of its population is poor and incapable of raising a proper revolution against the authoritarian regime that rules it.

 

[dt3]

I don't have a plan. But coming here illegally is, for lack of a better word, illegal. It should be punished.

 

[Charmer]

I don't have a plan. But coming here illegally is, for lack of a better word, illegal. It should be punished.

Stop using sense, Donnie!

Don't you know being here ILLEGALLY is more rewarding and more respectful than being here LEGALLY?!

Dang, get with the program! You can't fight it anymore. Embrace your fellow ILLEGALS and give them as many handouts as you can; sacrifice your paycheck, learn Spanish slang, give them your car so the poor ILLEGALS can drive around. Dang, you're so insensitive!

 

[dt3]

Stop using sense, Donnie!

Don't you know being here ILLEGALLY is more rewarding and more respectful than being here LEGALLY?!

Dang, get with the program! You can't fight it anymore. Embrace your fellow ILLEGALS and give them as many handouts as you can; sacrifice your paycheck, learn Spanish slang, give them your car so the poor ILLEGALS can drive around. Dang, you're so insensitive!

Man, even the illegals don't want my Jetta :24:

 

[Tim]

It's funny how you guys keep going to the illegal part of the equation...

yes they are here illegally, but the question keeps coming up... what do we do about it?
There has to be some sort of plan of action. You can't hurd them up and ship them out on cattle trains. You can't just break up families and send them into the desert. There has to be an ethical way to deal with the problem. You have to stop looking at all of them as being the problem. I'm sure there are a large number that take from the economy and don't give back. But there are also many more that do contribute. There are many who do assimilate into society and learn English. What about those who DO come here legally and don't learn the languish? Do we round them up as well? We are talking about different problems here.

And who here can say they haven't broken the law? We all have at one time or another. There is a reason that being in this country isn't a felony like bank robbery.

 

[All Else Failed]

Stop using sense, Donnie!

Don't you know being here ILLEGALLY is more rewarding and more respectful than being here LEGALLY?!

Dang, get with the program! You can't fight it anymore. Embrace your fellow ILLEGALS and give them as many handouts as you can; sacrifice your paycheck, learn Spanish slang, give them your car so the poor ILLEGALS can drive around. Dang, you're so insensitive!

stop being so alarmist.


of course they are here illegally, but that is mostly because of our unreasonable immigration process. I promise you that if it were made reasonable, there would be this problem on the scale that it is on. This is mostly our fault.


But no, you can't fight the fact that Latinos/Spanish Americans are the fastest growing ethnicities in the US right now, and will relatively soon be the Majority. Does that scare you or something?

 

[All Else Failed]

It's funny how you guys keep going to the illegal part of the equation...

yes they are here illegally, but the question keeps coming up... what do we do about it?
There has to be some sort of plan of action. You can't hurd them up and ship them out on cattle trains. You can't just break up families and send them into the desert. There has to be an ethical way to deal with the problem. You have to stop looking at all of them as being the problem. I'm sure there are a large number that take from the economy and don't give back. But there are also many more that do contribute. There are many who do assimilate into society and learn English. What about those who DO come here legally and don't learn the languish? Do we round them up as well? We are talking about different problems here.

And who here can say they haven't broken the law? We all have at one time or another. There is a reason that being in this country isn't a felony like bank robbery.

Wonderful point.

 

[dt3]

It's funny how you guys keep going to the illegal part of the equation...

yes they are here illegally, but the question keeps coming up... what do we do about it?
There has to be some sort of plan of action. You can't hurd them up and ship them out on cattle trains. You can't just break up families and send them into the desert. There has to be an ethical way to deal with the problem. You have to stop looking at all of them as being the problem. I'm sure there are a large number that take from the economy and don't give back. But there are also many more that do contribute. There are many who do assimilate into society and learn English. What about those who DO come here legally and don't learn the languish? Do we round them up as well? We are talking about different problems here.

And who here can say they haven't broken the law? We all have at one time or another. There is a reason that being in this country isn't a felony like bank robbery.

We keep going to the illegal part of the question because that's the illegal part. Heck, the thread title specifies illegal. I don't care about legal immigrants. I say good for them for doing it the right way.

Quite honestly, I don't care what we do with the illegals. If we kick them all out tomorrow, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. I'd say it's about time we started enforcing the damn law. Especially one with such obvious national security implications.

At the same time, I'm also ok with an amnesty program, as long as every single one of them gets documented.

I firmly believe we need to strengthen our border security. I don't have a plan or all the answers. But whoever we elect next year sure as heck better. It's a problem we can't afford to ignore any longer.

 

[dt3]

of course they are here illegally, but that is mostly because of our unreasonable immigration process. I promise you that if it were made reasonable, there would be this problem on the scale that it is on. This is mostly our fault.

It's our fault that Mexico is a shithole and America is seen as the land of opportunity?

How can you blame us for others choosing to break the law?

 

[All Else Failed]

We keep going to the illegal part of the question because that's the illegal part. Heck, the thread title specifies illegal. I don't care about legal immigrants. I say good for them for doing it the right way.

Quite honestly, I don't care what we do with the illegals. If we kick them all out tomorrow, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. I'd say it's about time we started enforcing the damn law. Especially one with such obvious national security implications.

At the same time, I'm also ok with an amnesty program, as long as every single one of them gets documented.

I firmly believe we need to strengthen our border security. I don't have a plan or all the answers. But whoever we elect next year sure as heck better. It's a problem we can't afford to ignore any longer.

They most likely had the resources most Mexicans do not.


Come on, you would be fine if an entire group of people got kicked out, where people's lives are destroyed? Not to mention that if the government took such a authoritarian/fascist move there would be GLOBAL back lash.


I think an amnesty program is good as well.

 

[Tim]

At the same time, I'm also ok with an amnesty program, as long as every single one of them gets documented.

I agree 100%. We need to get every person in the US, illegal or not, out of the shadows and documented

I firmly believe we need to strengthen our border security. I don't have a plan or all the answers. But whoever we elect next year sure as heck better. It's a problem we can't afford to ignore any longer.

Again, I agree 100%... I firmly believe that having secure borders is important. We may not have to do that with razor wire, but we need to make sure that new arrivals are checked in and they go through customs.

 

[All Else Failed]

It's our fault that Mexico is a shithole and America is seen as the land of opportunity?

How can you blame us for others choosing to break the law?

You have to understand the history between Mexico and the US. We've had out greedy little hands in that nation ever since we were interested in expanding westwards. its not ALL of our fault, but a good portion of it is. We basically stole half of their nation.

There's a difference between "choosing" to break the law, and doing something that will save your own life and make your child's life better.

 

[dt3]

They most likely had the resources most Mexicans do not.


Come on, you would be fine if an entire group of people got kicked out, where people's lives are destroyed? Not to mention that if the government took such a authoritarian/fascist move there would be GLOBAL back lash.


I think an amnesty program is good as well.

I don't really care how it's done, so much as I care that it does get done. Obviously they're not really just going to round them up and ship them out in the middle of the night.

The problem with this situation is that there is no clear, easy answer. If we give them amnesty, then we're rewarding them for breaking the law. If we kick them out, we're soulless, racist bastards.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[Tim]

It's our fault that Mexico is a shithole and America is seen as the land of opportunity?

How can you blame us for others choosing to break the law?

With the hundreds of billions of dollars it costs the US, I wonder if that money could be invested in making Mexico a better country.

Would it be possible to help Mexico become a economic powerhouse in the world economy? If we could, it would benefit us more ways than we could imagine. People who came from Mexico would be much more interested in going home. We would benefit through trade and commerce... Hell it's North America... we should all work together.