The Violent Oppression of Muslim Women - Warning, disturbing video
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\\Indeed, many passages in the Torah and the Bible teach us that women are not only inferior, but also must obey men, because God tells us that men are their masters.
Oh…? And what about men who are not virgins on their wedding night? Why are only women stoned for not being virgins on their wedding night, and not men? Nowhere in the Bible does God talk of punishing men for not being virgins on their wedding night - God only tells us in these books that women must be punished. This is but one extreme example of the many, many instances of discrimination against women in the Bible.
And so it is that while women are considered as friendly little creatures, useful to have about the house for fun, sex, childbearing, cooking, and cleaning - they are also loathsome little creatures who try dragging men, (who are by implication holy and pure by nature), into the filthy pit of hell with them.
In the book of Deuteronomy in the enlightened Christian Bible, as well as in the old Jewish Torah, God gave Moses clear instructions as to when the followers of Judaism and Christianity could rape captive women after slaughtering their families …
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. (Bible, Genesis 3:16)
And if anyone thinks this ruling was abrogated by Jesus or his disciples, then think again. For we read that the holy Saint Paul himself said:
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. (Bible, Ephesians 5:22-24)
And not to forget what Saint Peter also said about the necessity for women to submit to thier husbands:
Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear. (Bible, 1 Peter 3:1-6)
This passage has profound consequences when interpreted very literally. For example, this passage could be interpreted to mean that if you are a woman married to a psychopathic, violent husband, you must submit to him, obey his every whim, allow him to abuse and beat you regularly, at the same time as you try to change his ways by means of the example of your long-suffering obedience, purity, and piety. Your reward for all this will be eternal life in heaven - shame about your life on earth. However it's probably all part of God's inscrutable, and undoubtedly wonderful plan for women. This brings us to another fascinating example of wondrous discrimination against women in the Bible - the stoning of girls who are not virgins on their wedding night …
The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver [a] and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives. If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you. (Bible, Deuteronomy 22:16-21)
And so it is that while women are considered as friendly little creatures, useful to have about the house for fun, sex, childbearing, cooking, and cleaning - they are also loathsome little creatures who try dragging men, (who are by implication holy and pure by nature), into the filthy pit of hell with them.
Many are the victims she has brought down; her slain are a mighty throng. Her house is a highway to the grave, leading down to the chambers of death. (Bible, Proverbs 7:26-27)
Women are considered by this verse as sinful, and many other verses in the Bible also tell us that women are also unclean, such as this example:
Man that is born of a woman is of few days and full of trouble. He cometh forth like a flower, and is cut down: he fleeth also as a shadow, and continueth not. And doth thou open thine eyes upon such an one, and bringest me into judgment with thee? Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one. (Bible, Job 14:1-4)
In other words, humans are doomed to die because they are born out of unclean women! Original sin, inherent sinfulness, and uncleanliness are all used as justification for the atrocities perpetrated upon women throughout history. All manner of Christian sects during the last 2000 years have found all manner of Bible verses justifying discrimination against women, violence against women, and even religiously sanctioned rape of captive women.
In the book of Deuteronomy in the enlightened Christian Bible, as well as in the old Jewish Torah, God gave Moses clear instructions as to when the followers of Judaism and Christianity could rape captive women after slaughtering their families …
When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her. (Bible, Deuteronomy 21:10-14)
As if this were not enough, the God of the Jews and the Christians also sanctions killing infants and ripping open pregnant women during wars.
Samaria shall bear her guilt; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword; their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. (Bible, Hosea 13:16)//
aha!! You copy -pasted the vid from google and are not willing to admit facts from the same source!! How hypocritical of you!!
All those are verifiable facts....look at them with open eyes and clean mind or just stop trolling and wasting my time:thumbdown!!
No, it is up to you to provide facts to back up your argument. It isn't my responsibility to go out and see whether or not what you're saying is verifiable.
Also, if you paid attention to my original post in this thread
Therefore, I didn't copy/paste it from Google. Nor would it even matter if I had, because it was the original post in this thread and the basis for discussion. However, proof has been provided that the things outlined in the video do happen on a regular basis in Muslim countries, including your own Pakistan.
Do please try again, I really enjoy watching you make a complete fool out of yourself.
here is more 'fodder' for your taste...
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Woman's Wrongs: A Counter-Irritant (Boston: Ticknor and Fields, 1868), by Gail Hamilton
Written Out: How Sexuality Is Used to Attack Women's Organizing (2000), by Cynthia Rothschild, ed. by Scott Long (HTML at iglhrc.org)
Sex Discrimination in Uncertain Times (c2010), ed. by Margaret Thornton (HTML and PDF with commentary at ANU E Press)
Gender Justice, Citizenship and Development (Ottawa: International Development Research Centre, 2007), ed. by Maitrayee Mukhopadhyay and Navsharan Singh (HTML at idrc.ca)
The Two-Headed Household: Gender and Rural Development in the Ecuadorean Andes (Pittsburgh: University of Pittsburgh Press, c1998), by Sarah Hamilton (searchable page images at Pitt)
Women or Men: Who Are the Victims? (c2000), by Erin Pizzey, J. R. Shackleton, and Peter Urwin, contrib. by David G. Green (PDF at Civitas)
Letter to the Women Of England, on the Injustice of Mental Subordination (with commentary), by Mary Darby Robinson (frame-depdendent HTML at Romantic Circles)
Empowering Women: Land and Property Rights in Latin America (Pittsburgh: University of Pittsburgh Press, 2001), by Carmen Diana Deere and Magdalena León de Leal (searchable page images at Pitt)
Chicanas Speak Out: Women: New Voice of La Raza (1971), by Mirta Vidal (HTML at Duke)
Constitutional Equality a Right of Woman, by Tennie C. Cook (illustrated HTML at LOC)
Letters on the Equality of the Sexes and the Condition of Woman, by Sarah Moore Grimké (HTML at pinn.net)
What more proof do you expect to have than from the mouth of your own people???
Are they lying??? Are you the judge??? swim away!!
here is more..
The New Godiva: A Dialogue; and A Letter to the International Convention of Women at Washington, by Josephine Elizabeth Grey Butler (HTML at Indiana)
The Speech of Sara Bard Field: Presenting to Congress on Behalf of the Women of the Nation, the Marble Busts of Three Suffrage Pioneers, Lucretia Mott, Elizabeth Stanton Cady, Susan Brownell Anthony (1921), by Sara Bard Field (multiple formats at archive.org)
The Story of a Pioneer, by Anna Howard Shaw
Toward Equal Rights for Men and Women, by Ethel M. Smith (illustrated HTML at LOC)
What is the Revolutionary Potential of Women's Liberation? (ca.1970), by Kathy McAfee and Myrna Wood (HTML at Duke)
Woman's Rights (Boston: Lee and Shepard, 1867), by John Todd (HTML with commentary at merrycoz.org)
The First Convention Ever Called to Discuss the Civil and Political Rights of Women, Seneca Falls, N.Y., July 19, 20, 1848: Woman's Rights Convention (1848) (page images at LOC)
Proceedings of the National Woman's Rights Convention Held at Cleveland, Ohio, on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, October 5th, 6th, and 7th, 1853 (Cleveland : Gray, Beardsley, Spear, 1854) (page images at LOC)
Proceedings of the Ninth National Woman's Rights Convention Held in New York City, Thursday, May 12, 1859 (Rochester, NY: A. Strong, 1859) (page images at LOC)
The Proceedings of the Woman's Rights Convention, Held at Akron, Ohio, May 28 and 29, 1851 (Cincinnati: Ben Franklin Book and Job Office, 1851) (page images at LOC)
Proceedings of the Woman's Rights Convention, Held at the Broadway Tabernacle, in the City of New York, on Tuesday and Wednesday, Sept. 6th and 7th, 1853 (New York: Fowlers and Wells, 1853) (page images at LOC)
The Proceedings of the Woman's Rights Convention, Held at West Chester, Pa., June 2d and 3d, 1852 (Philadelphia: Merrihew and Thompson, 1852) (page images at LOC)
All Else Failed
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is maz trying top argue that women are "freer" in the Middle east than in western liberal democracies?
I'm not complaining... cause I'm getting tokenz from it
lol This man... He just disgusts me. I mean, was he dropped on his head? Raised by heathens? What is the deal??
Minor Axis
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Of course he is. Maybe he can remind of us of the last womens rights conference held in the Pakistan or the Middle East or that matter (the place where they need them the most).
''Freedom'' is the same everywhere except how you take it!
I by 'freedom'' you mean ''free sex'' you might be disappointed to find it in the East especially in the Muslim-majority countries. Reason: General consensus against such kinda freedom by democratic vote!!
What's so funny about them??? Such conferences are a daily affair by the US funded cronies. you don't seem to have read the material about the US I have posted earlier...
By "freedom" we Americans mean the freedom to live without fear of persecution by the government for the religion we choose to follow, or choose not to follow. Freedom means we can vote in elections regardless of our religious beliefs, our sex, or our race. We have the freedoms to live our lives as we choose, as long as we're not imposing our beliefs on others. Granted, America isn't perfect, and I think we should have far more freedom than we do currently, but that's a different discussion topic for a different thread.
Basically, freedom is everything that Americans have that Pakistanis don't.
I respect freedom but the American or Western type is NOT sustainable in every society!
Japan is better:thumbup
You don't respect freedom... your utopia is a country where men trample over the rights of women, where you can't freely worship the God you choose, where female circumcision is the norm, and where taking children as wives is perfectly acceptable... so you can be just like your "prophet".
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