The Pope's Visit To Britain

[Tuffdisc]

And just becuase he was a member doesn't mean he agreed because from 1935? 1936? (it's been nearly 5 years since I memorised these dates) it was compulsory for all young Arayan men. I know one member of Hitler Youth actually started a Nazi resistence group called White Rose but I can't remember his name and I am too lazy to wiki it.

Hans Scholl, his sister Sophie Scholl, and Christoph Probst.

 

[Abcinthia]

Hans Scholl, his sister Sophie Scholl, and Christoph Probst.

That's him. Been a long time since I studied him.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Why are you asking if I know 'everything what goes on everywhere.' What bearing does that have on what we were discussing before? I won't pander to your frequent attempts to stear the topic onto unrelated grounds.

I want you to prove to me, how the pope has not been negligent in his handling of the numerous child abusers under his employ.

It does have a bearing on it, because a) he wasn't Pope at the time of it happening b) probably was somewhere else at the time of this happening c) you can't even prove that such information was put forward to him

 

[Zorak]

It does have a bearing on it, because a) he wasn't Pope at the time of it happening b) probably was somewhere else at the time of this happening c) you can't even prove that such information was put forward to him

a) the time of it happening? it's been happening for hundreds of years and still is happening. He's culpible in the very least for the most recent cover ups.
b) he was probably somewhere else? Are you his alibi? See above.
c) in 2005 Pope Benedict was personally accused of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. He obtained immunity from proceedings as head of state of the Vatican. Give me 10 minutes I can give you a list as long my arm detailing reports and court proceedings that Benedict would ahve been aware of.

 

[MoonOwl]

Hide your little boys *slaps hand*

 

[Tuffdisc]

a) the time of it happening? it's been happening for hundreds of years and still is happening. He's culpible in the very least for the most recent cover ups.
b) he was probably somewhere else? Are you his alibi? See above.
c) in 2005 Pope Benedict was personally accused of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. He obtained immunity from proceedings as head of state of the Vatican. Give me 10 minutes I can give you a list as long my arm detailing reports and court proceedings that Benedict would ahve been aware of.

All that information can be stopped even before it even reaches him, clearly you have a hatred towards the church for some other reasons

Are you really privy to all that information? I really doubt it, since you are not the prosecution of this allegation thrown at him

 

[Zorak]

All that information can be stopped even before it even reaches him, clearly you have a hatred towards the church for some other reasons

Are you really privy to all that information? I really doubt it, since you are not the prosecution of this allegation thrown at him

I know as a supporter of the catholic church that Freedom of Information might be a foreign concept to you... But the rest of the world practices it.

 

[Alien Allen]

I could care less what he did back when he was a kid

His involvement as one of those in the hierarchy during the last 30 years is what is important

The Catholic hierarchy participated in a massive cover up

And he has blood on his hands being in that hierarchy. IMO

 

[Minor Axis]

You are accusing with just straws, you don't have anything in abundance

Insert head in sand. BTW, what exactly is your definition of abundance?

Priest Pedophile Stats:
Here are a few of the highlights.

• US clerics (priests, deacons, bishops, etc.) accused of abuse from 1950-2002: 4,392.
  About 4% of the 109,694 serving during those 52 years.
• Individuals making accusations: 10,667.
• Victims' ages: 5.8% under 7; 16% ages 8-10; 50.9% ages 11-14; 27.3% ages 15-17.
• Victims' gender: 81% male, 19% female
• Duration of abuse: Among victims, 38.4% said all incidents occurred within one year; 21.8% said one to two years; 28%, two to four years; 11.8% longer.
• Victims per priest: 55.7% with one alleged victim; 26.9% with two or three; 13.9% with four to nine; 3.5% with 10 or more (these 149 priests caused 27% of allegations).
• Abuse locations: 40.9% at priest's residence; 16.3% in church; 42.8% elsewhere.
• Known cost to dioceses and religious orders: $572,507,094 (does not include the $85 million Boston settlement and other expenses after research was concluded). (Hartford Courant, 2/27/04)

It should be noted that 30% of all accusations included in these figures were not investigated as they were deemed unsubstantiated (10%) or because the accused priest was dead or inactive (20%). They do not include allegations that were "unfounded" or later recanted.
In any case, all these figures are widely suspected to be grossly underestimated. For example, the late Fr. Tom Economus, former President of the Linkup, a national survivors' advocacy group, said back in the mid-90s that he knew of "1,400 insurance claims on the books and that the Church has paid out over $1 billion in liability with an estimated $500 million pending." (Emphasis added.)

 

[Tuffdisc]

I know as a supporter of the catholic church that Freedom of Information might be a foreign concept to you... But the rest of the world practices it.

What? Is that all you have to aim at me? You've no idea what my concepts are, so how can you throw that lame accusation at me, just sounds you have nothing on the Church if you go accusing followers of that faith, just a typical atheist accusation, huh?

 

[Tuffdisc]

Insert head in sand. BTW, what exactly is your definition of abundance?

You can throw all kind of stats at me, how about the atheists who keeps things covered up about their abuse of children, you seem to forget about that, why are you involved in such things?

 

[Zorak]

You can throw all kind of stats at me, how about the atheists who keeps things covered up about their abuse of children, you seem to forget about that, why are you involved in such things?

rofl
Yeah, statistics can be used to prove anything. 40% of all people kmow that. :willy_nilly:

 

[Peter Parka]

Dont bother arguing with Tuffdisc, he's not worth it and one of these religious nuts who give religion a bad name, he has no proof with the crap he spouts so just tries to steer the topic away, buries his head in the sand or results to childish insults. I love how he's so obsessed with needing more than an abundance of proof to believe the Pope was involved in a coverup yet strangely needs no proof whatsoever to believe the bible.:24:

 

[Minor Axis]

You can throw all kind of stats at me, how about the atheists who keeps things covered up about their abuse of children, you seem to forget about that, why are you involved in such things?

I suppose you get all your info from the Catholic Network. Ok, forget about that? What do you mean? Start up a thread and lets discuss it! Involved in such things? I'm just having a conversation in a forum just like you are...

Dont bother arguing with Tuffdisc, he's not worth it and one of these religious nuts who give religion a bad name, he has no proof with the crap he spouts so just tries to steer the topic away, buries his head in the sand or results to childish insults. I love how he's so obsessed with needing more than an abundance of proof to believe the Pope was involved in a coverup yet strangely needs no proof whatsoever to believe the bible.:24:

Apparently it's coming from the neighborhood of "don't talk down my religion, dude!!" But I'm not talking down his religion, just its leadership.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Dont bother arguing with Tuffdisc, he's not worth it and one of these religious nuts who give religion a bad name, he has no proof with the crap he spouts so just tries to steer the topic away, buries his head in the sand or results to childish insults. I love how he's so obsessed with needing more than an abundance of proof to believe the Pope was involved in a coverup yet strangely needs no proof whatsoever to believe the bible.:24:

This is a strange statement to make, first of all you don't believe in religion, so how can I give religion a bad name, second of all, this is the most important thing here, you have slammed all religion as controlling. Thirdly, if you can pick out the insults, please do highlight them, because I have been told that you have been coming on here drunk, so it is fact not an insult :thumbup

Nice try, though it doesn't hurt my feelings to make a mockery out of yourself

 

[Tuffdisc]

I suppose you get all your info from the Catholic Network. Ok, forget about that? What do you mean? Start up a thread and lets discuss it! Involved in such things? I'm just having a conversation in a forum just like you are...

Erm, no I get my facts from reality, the media just print stuff to get money from you and me (not really me anymore since I have given up reading rubbish from the media ages ago), they will accuse anyone mostly with out foundation, they will print bold headline for you and me to go in state of agitation. They're not bothered whether it is true or not, if they come up with something libellous I think the publicity will pay for itself

And you really can't read too much what the media says, they are not in full faculty of the facts

 

[MoonOwl]

Here's an update:


http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/18/uk.pope.visit/index.html?hpt=C1


I still haven't figured out why Catholics aren't withholding their tithes until all the abusers are in jail.

That is one thing the Church understands - Money. Without it they have no power.

 

[Peter Parka]

Pope sets new Godwin’s Law world record

The Pope has set a new world record for the invocation of Godwin’s Law by using his opening address in the UK to liken the country’s secular community to the Nazis.
Godwin’s Law states that as an Internet conversation grows longer, the probability of someone making a comparison with the Nazis or Hitler approaches 1, however the Pope decided to jump straight in with both feet during yesterday’s speech.
The Pope explained that the the UK should be wary of growing militant atheism, because the Nazis were atheists too, before concluding that all atheists must be Nazis.
As one attendee at the Pope’s address told us, “We thought he would at least use an interesting Hitler anecdote, you know, ‘this one time at Nazi camp, Hitler said..’, but no - he invoked Godwin’s Law using a barely concealed boring old simile.”
“To be honest, for someone with his Nazi background I expected something much better.”
Pope Nazi

The Pope’s new world record has broken the previous record of two exchanges on an Internet messageboard discussing a potential change to the theme tune to The Archers.
Internet expert Dwight Schultz told us, “Generally speaking Godwin’s Law involves a provocation and a response, but the Pope has taken it to a whole new level by using his opening gambit to mention the Nazis.”
“It makes perfect sense when you think about it. Why wait for someone to mention his past in the Hitler Youth if he can get in there first and call all the non-believers a Nazi?”
“You know, for an old man dressed a bit like Vegas Elvis, he’s quite clever.”



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