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In other news, Matt Hardy announced that he was going into WWE sponsored rehab... good move for him. Once again, this proves that the WWE wellness policy really does work and is good for the business.

 

[Springsteen]

The PPV was ok, way overbooked though, especially the main event. Raw was pretty good, better than previous weeks. Triple H firing Miz and Truth was a twist. Hugh Jackman didn't look out of place really, and it put the Z man on Raw, which is always good. ~BROSKI

Edit : People have mentioned this but you're probably looknig at a nWo revival, with Nash as the leader and Miz and Truth in it too. As for anyone else, not sure.

They also mentioned this and it's a good point, the next time WWE release somebody legitimately, they might have a hard time making it look real given the amount of worked releases we've seen.

 

[Joey]

I kinda like the thought of bringing the nWo back, aslong as they dont over do it like they did in WCW where by they took over the whole show and had basically more members than the rest of the company had left to use.

The PPV was pretty crap in my opinion, only thing I didn't predict happening was Mark Henry winning the title, but I reckon he'll lose it at Hell In A Cell PPV. Kane or Big Show will return and take him out, therefore gifting Orton the title back.

 

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I streamed the PPV last night, but it cut out for like 5 minutes at the end of the WWE Championship match... when it came back, Truth and Miz were in the ring and all of the locker room was outside the locked cage. I have no clue how that all happened. :24:

 

[Springsteen]

Oh it was funny. Del Rio locked Cena out, beat Punk and won the Title. Then Miz/Truth were in disguise and beat up Cena, Del Rio and Punk inside the cell while the whole locker room were outside the Cell, they couldn't get in. Miz and Truth then voluntarily surrendered and got arrested. It was all wild, I think Triple H ended up getting arrested. The fallout on Raw will be interesting.

 

[retro]

Yeah, I saw the aftermath, but I had no idea if the match had been won by anyone or anything like that. I honestly think that it should've gone to a no-contest at that point... mainly because I don't know what you do with Punk now. He was beaten for the title, so Cena is obviously going to be getting the next title match, unless they do another triple threat.

So did Truth and Miz have another key or something? Cause del Rio threw it under the ring after he locked the cage back up. I couldn't tell if HHH was arrested or not, it just looked like the WWE staff in suits and some refs were holding him back and Miz and Truth were led out of the arena by the "cops".

 

[Springsteen]

I can't remember how Miz and Truth got in, I think they may have been disguised as arena staff/cameramen. Not sure though. I was sure Nash was going to appear at one stage, though there is still time for that.

 

[retro]

Oh, and I love reviving the "classic" IC belt... just annoys me that Morrison was used as fodder.

 

[retro]

Jesus Christ... who the fuck did Morrison piss off?

 

[Joey]

Hell In A Cell. Awful PPV.

 

[Springsteen]

Jesus Christ... who the fuck did Morrison piss off?

In truth the guy's an idiot, when Melina got fired he bought her to the show the next week, Melina got carted out and Morrison was the fall guy. She was the real troublecauser for him.

I thought HIAC was alright, but I didn't really have much interest in some of it. Like Sin Cara vs Sin Cara, Beth vs Kelly and the tag match, I just didn't care for them. Henry vs Orton was fine but didn't need the Cell, Sheamus vs Christian was very good, Cody vs Morrison served its purpose, the ME was good.

The ending to raw was pretty surreal, seeing them all walk out after having no confidence in Triple H. The angle there is surreal as I say, neither good nor bad at this time, just kinda there. Next week will be interesting though.

 

[dkwrtw]

Watched TNA for the first time in months tonight, and holy shit Bubba Ray has lost a TON of weight since the last time I saw him! And the segment with Hogan and Sting at the end of TNA tonight had me and my brother fucking ROLLING, I expected someone to come out and ruin Hogan's retirement speech but the video of Hogan and Bischoff backstage had me in tears, lol I'm starting to love wrestling again :24:

 

[retro]

JR has gotta fucking hate it when the WWE comes to Oklahoma... because it becomes, "find any way to insult and/or embarrass JR" day every single time.

 

[Springsteen]

I think I need a few drams of hooch to expunge that Raw from my memory, it was terrible. The walkout angle was rushed, there was no angle in the car park where they were protesting, I know the PPV is a week on Sunday but it didn't have any reason to be that bad or that rushed.

The biggest problem with Triple H and Punk teaming up at Vengeance is that they were feuding up until recently, I know it's against Miz/Truth and they are the bad boys, but there has to be a logical conclusion somewhere whereby Punk ends up being behind it all or somethnig, the match just ending with a Triple H/Punk win, clean and then no follow up would suck.

I just tweeted my thoughts to John Laurinautas, let's see what happens. I wasn't too harsh.

 

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The problem with RAW is that it all happened in one week... if it was stretched out to 2 or maybe even 3 weeks, including the PPV; then it would have been a lot more effective. But implemented the way that they did left nothing to the imagination, all of the concepts were decent ones, but they all needed to be spread out instead of happening in a 2 hour span. Punk/HHH teaming together makes some sense... I think Punk being one of the three faces that didn't walk out and coming back in support of HHH was their attempt at them getting past their differences. I think Punk even made mention of the fact that he didn't blame Hunter anymore, but was blaming someone behind the scenes pulling all the strings, like what Lawler was saying last week and this week.

I think what's going to come out of this is a no-contest at the PPV in the CM-Hunter vs. R-Miz is a Nash interference, and it coming out that Johnny Ace was behind it the entire time. Maybe not overtly reveal it, but start the build that direction... though knowing WWE, they'll rush that as well. I can also guarantee you that we're going to see an HBK appearance at Vengeance, if only for a brief cameo... but I think we may see him get involved in the match if Nash does. Or maybe make the save if there's no Nash appearance if we see a post-match R-Miz beatdown of Punk and Hunter. I'll probably try and find a way to stream the PPV like I did the last one, or download it afterwards. The only PPV I pay for these days is Wrestlemania... I used to get the Rumble, WM, and about 2-3 others throughout the year.

I do take back saying that all of the concepts were decent... because treating JR like shit isn't ever a good idea as far as I'm concerned.

 

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I swear though, I sometimes think that I could book the product a helluva lot better than the existing creative team.

 

[Springsteen]

The problem with RAW is that it all happened in one week... if it was stretched out to 2 or maybe even 3 weeks, including the PPV; then it would have been a lot more effective. But implemented the way that they did left nothing to the imagination, all of the concepts were decent ones, but they all needed to be spread out instead of happening in a 2 hour span.

This is my biggest frustration with the whole thing. It was a very good angle which had people talking, but because of the fact that it's been rushed into a 2 hour show as opposed to 3/4 weeks. Like I said, they didn't even show the car park, Triple H made mention of it sure, but there was no footage of it.

I think what's going to come out of this is a no-contest at the PPV in the CM-Hunter vs. R-Miz is a Nash interference, and it coming out that Johnny Ace was behind it the entire time. Maybe not overtly reveal it, but start the build that direction... though knowing WWE, they'll rush that as well. I can also guarantee you that we're going to see an HBK appearance at Vengeance, if only for a brief cameo... but I think we may see him get involved in the match if Nash does. Or maybe make the save if there's no Nash appearance if we see a post-match R-Miz beatdown of Punk and Hunter.

This sounds logical enough, but I fear that WWE would rush that as you alluded to.

Another thing, and I know Laurinautas brought them back, but the Miz/Truth thing was poor because it was like nothing had ever happened. I can't think of a single redeeming feature from this Raw, and they have a PPV a week on Sunday.

I'll probably try and find a way to stream the PPV like I did the last one, or download it afterwards. The only PPV I pay for these days is Wrestlemania... I used to get the Rumble, WM, and about 2-3 others throughout the year.

I'm like this, I just don't see the value in spending £15 (about $25) on a PPV when they are either booked in a week or not booked at all. Luckily we get some free.

 

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That's been the problem with creative for almost as long as I can remember... they've run angles way too quickly more often than not, which makes them lose their effect. Even the CM Punk story went too quickly, I understand that they were pushing towards the next PPV, but Punk should've stayed on the "outside" until after Summerslam, or showed up and taken both del Rio and Cena out during their match. They don't really build things like they used to, and that makes fans less apt to be interested in what's going to happen, and want to tune in next week to find out. On the other hand, when they do a slow build, most of the time they draw it out way too long... (Save Us.222 anyone?) and then the fans lose interest in it before it gets going.

 

[Springsteen]

The last really great angle into a match which actually delivered I think was Michaels/Taker II, that was built from the previous December, when Michaels said he wanted one more match. Then it kinda went quiet while all the Bret stuff was happening but then picked up just before the Rumble. Michaels went crazy a few times, cost DX the Tag titles IIRC, and then got his match and they had a great match. The Nexus/WWE angle was pretty good too but I think it was spoilt afterwards.

 

[dkwrtw]

Couldn't believe the shit Ziggler was saying on RAW