The Case of Captive Saudi Princesses.

[mazHur]

Isn't it obvious by now that I'm not going to be led off topic.

]]]]regret you have NO argument to make and accusations won't lead you anywhere. YOu have lost the debate!!]]]]]

 

[Stone]

]]]]regret you have NO argument to make and accusations won't lead you anywhere. YOu have lost the debate!!]]]]]

Good one
At least you haven't lost your sense of humor


So again:

By what moral authority does your culture accept the practice of honor killings and the abuse of women?

 

[mazHur]

Good one
At least you haven't lost your sense of humor


So again:

By what moral authority does your culture accept the practice of honor killings and the abuse of women?

[[[[[Morals as regards 'honor' are different everywhere and you can't define them by your standards. Here, morals means 'face saving'...just like the Japanese. If a boy or a gal do anything to disgrace their family the whole family loses 'face' in its tribe, society or culture and to redress this some people would go as far as killing the defaulters, both their own as well as their counterparts. However, this practice is less of an urban prevalence but in backward areas it does originate. Talibans, for example, are unsparing in such matters.
It is their 'family code''...and you shouldn't be surprised at it. ]]]]]

 

[mazHur]

Good one
At least you haven't lost your sense of humor


So again:

By what moral authority does your culture accept the practice of honor killings and the abuse of women?

Aaaaaaand it is nice to see smile on you visage,,,pretty or not!!LOL

 

[Stone]

[[[[[Morals as regards 'honor' are different everywhere and you can't define them by your standards. Here, morals means 'face saving'...just like the Japanese. If a boy or a gal do anything to disgrace their family the whole family loses 'face' in its tribe, society or culture and to redress this some people would go as far as killing the defaulters, both their own as well as their counterparts. However, this practice is less of an urban prevalence but in backward areas it does originate. Talibans, for example, are unsparing in such matters.
It is their 'family code''...and you shouldn't be surprised at it. ]]]]]

Have you been getting away with this bullshit sophistry all the time you've been posting at this forum?

I told you once before in another thread you just weren't good enough at sophistry.

'Saving face ' is not a concept of morals or morality, morality is however an issue of how saving face is accomplished.
And your sophistry does not answer this question:

By what moral authority does your culture accept the practice of honor killings and the abuse of women as a means to save face?

 

[Stone]

Aaaaaaand it is nice to see smile on you visage,,,pretty or not!!LOL

Pretty weak comeback.....like to try again?

 

[mazHur]

Have you been getting away with this bullshit sophistry all the time you've been posting at this forum?

I told you once before in another thread you just weren't good enough at sophistry.

'Saving face ' is not a concept of morals or morality, morality is however an issue of how saving face is accomplished.
And your sophistry does not answer this question:

By what moral authority does your culture accept the practice of honor killings and the abuse of women as a means to save face?

Can I know ''how saving face is accomplished'' in your 'book'??

 

[Stone]

Can I know ''how saving face is accomplished'' in your 'book'??

You really think that's going to distract me and divert the debate away from discussing your culture's issues of killing and beating women which the forum has now learned is a manifestation of your culture's quest to save face?

What is it you are so distraught about that you beat and kill your woman and consider it a moral duty?
What frustrates you to such heights of inhumanity to yourselves?

How can you even deny your culture does that and then claim it's done to save face?
I posted you were in denial, but it obviously goes deeper than that!

So:
By what moral authority does your culture accept the practice of honor killings and the abuse of women as a means to save face?

 

[mazHur]

You really think that's going to distract me and divert the debate away from discussing
''your culture's issues of killing and beating women which the forum has now learned is a manifestation of your culture's quest to save face?''

[[[[[[Now stop talking from both sides of your mouth. Don't issue bloody Fatwa's like a cleric or a biased ignorant judgmental snob.

Our culture is not like that....you are merely generalizing and that is bad.
If our culture was like that there won't be a few such random incidents in civilized countries as well.

You have NO idea about the cultural and social hisotyr of Pakistan,,,better consult your leaders to learn or visit Pakistan for a survey]]]]



What is it you are so distraught about that you beat and kill your woman and consider it a moral duty?
What frustrates you to such heights of inhumanity to yourselves?

How can you even deny your culture does that and then claim it's done to save face?


I posted you were in denial, but it obviously goes deeper than that!

So:
By what moral authority does your culture accept the practice of honor killings and the abuse of women as a means to save face?

[[[I have already stated my observations based on actual experience,,,yours is based on media news only. Thus you can't be trusted ....I am not going to explain to teach you know again and again. P{lease reread my above posts attentively and refrain from idle trolling.

 

[mazHur]

Can I know ''how saving face is accomplished'' in your 'book'??

[[[ you have failed to answer my question....why? Are you done?]]]]

 

[Stone]

Attributed to me in mazHur's post #109

You really think that's going to distract me and divert the debate away from discussing
''your culture's issues of killing and beating women which the forum has now learned is a manifestation of your culture's quest to save face?''

[[[[[[Now stop talking from both sides of your mouth. Don't issue bloody Fatwa's like a cleric or a biased ignorant judgmental snob.

It's incredible how dishonest you are adding those last two sentences to a quote of mine as if I posted it.
Everybody can read my post and see that you added it.

Is this just another attempt to divert this thread from the topic you started?

 

[mazHur]

Attributed to me in mazHur's post #109


It's incredible how dishonest you are adding those last two sentences to a quote of mine as if I posted it.
Everybody can read my post and see that you added it.

Is this just another attempt to divert this thread from the topic you started?

[[[[[[Didn't you write these lines??
''You really think that's going to distract me and divert the debate away from discussing your culture's issues of killing and beating women which the forum has now learned is a manifestation of your culture's quest to save face?

Being a smart alec won't allow you to save your face.....read those judgmental lines and be honest like a man!]

I duly answere all your questions but I am not here to teach you....because you are a pre- or over-learned person ( your quote::
'''has now learned post 108 ]]]]]

 

[Stone]

[[[I have already stated my observations based on actual experience,,,yours is based on media news only. Thus you can't be trusted ....I am not going to explain to teach you know again and again. P{lease reread my above posts attentively and refrain from idle trolling.

You turned this thread, early on, into a moral comparison between your culture and mine.

So:

By what moral authority does your culture accept the practice of honor killings and the abuse of women as a means to save face, since you claim you hold 'saving face' to be an issue of morality?

This is your shit I'm addressing. Shit you posted and refuse to clarify.
From absolute denial, to accusing tribal factions, to accusing wealthy Saudi's ,to accusing wealthy westerners.
And then you claim morality is 'saving face'.
What the hell are you ashamed of so badly, that your culture beats and kills it's own women and what moral justification do you have for such cultural atrocities?

You argue your culture is more moral than mine......so what is your moral authority for such actions?


You've shot off your mouth on how grand your morality is and backpedaled ever since with out presenting the moral reasons for those atrocities.
Trust me, this is not going away as a debate topic unless the thread is closed or a moderator orders me to stop questioning you for a moral explanation.

 

[mazHur]

 

[Stone]

[[[[[[Didn't you write these lines??
''You really think that's going to distract me and divert the debate away from discussing your culture's issues of killing and beating women which the forum has now learned is a manifestation of your culture's quest to save face?

Being a smart alec won't allow you to save your face.....read those judgmental lines and be honest like a man!]

I duly answere all your questions but I am not here to teach you....because you are a pre- or over-learned person ( your quote::
'''has now learned post 108 ]]]]]

These are the lines you added to my quote:

Now stop talking from both sides of your mouth. Don't issue bloody Fatwa's like a cleric or a biased ignorant judgmental snob.

I never wrote those lines. Period.
You are the most intellectually dishonest debater I've ever met.
You even deny the most obvious.


And you still haven't addressed this question:
By what moral authority does your culture accept the practice of honor killings and the abuse of women as a means to save face?

 

[Stone]

mazHur posted:

Nor honest from your responses.

 

[mazHur]

You turned this thread, early on, into a moral comparison between your culture and mine.

So:

By what moral authority does your culture accept the practice of honor killings and the abuse of women as a means to save face, since you claim you hold 'saving face' to be an issue of morality?

This is your shit I'm addressing. Shit you posted and refuse to clarify.
From absolute denial, to accusing tribal factions, to accusing wealthy Saudi's ,to accusing wealthy westerners.
And then you claim morality is 'saving face'.
What the hell are you ashamed of so badly, that your culture beats and kills it's own women and what moral justification do you have for such cultural atrocities?

You argue your culture is more moral than mine......so what is your moral authority for such actions?


You've shot off your mouth on how grand your morality is and backpedaled ever since with out presenting the moral reasons for those atrocities.
Trust me, this is not going away as a debate topic unless the thread is closed or a moderator orders me to stop questioning you for a moral explanation.

[[[You are obviously done and I cannot do more to help you. You better get counseling from someone erudite on Eastern or Muslim cultural values......you can find Muslims everywhere in the world and it shouldn't be any problem find one such person to help you get out of your frantic rhetoric.

regretfully you have NO idea about culture, custom and traditions and are bent upon (maliciously as apparent} on accusing Muslims in general. If Eastern morals are bad they could be vice versa in case of western too. Be fair.]]

 

[mazHur]

These are the lines you added to my quote:



I never wrote those lines. Period.
You are the most intellectually dishonest debater I've ever met.
You even deny the most obvious.


And you still haven't addressed this question:
By what moral authority does your culture accept the practice of honor killings and the abuse of women as a means to save face?

[[[I did not say you wrote these lines (these are mine) ''Now stop talking from both sides of your mouth. Don't issue bloody Fatwa's like a cleric or a biased ignorant judgmental snob.'' Are you feeling okay?? Have a check up, dude!]]]

 

[Stone]

[[[ you have failed to answer my question....why? Are you done?]]]]

It was off-topic and an obvious attempt to divert the debate.

I'm not easily diverted

And obviously not done until you explain your claims
or you simply stop.
Of course, that would be giving up to me......(Oh Noes!! )

 

[mazHur]

It was off-topic and an obvious attempt to divert the debate.

I'm not easily diverted

And obviously not done until you explain your claims
or you simply stop.
Of course, that would be giving up to me......(Oh Noes!! )

[[[ You must be crazy if you won't comprehend the debate after such profuse explanation by me.
It appears you are wont to troll and stretch to a point of jittery.
It also appears you have nothing else to do but accuse others in debates?
It also appears it is overdone,,,and you need some schooling from the web...google up for more info that you want and admit you have lost]]]]]