Student Tasering at the University of Florida

[Thebest]

I think there's a lot of confusion about this. I've never personally worked any security jobs, but I had plenty of friends who did - including on my college campus. I think I have a pretty good understanding of what happened. I'll list the things that are clear from the video.

1. The kid was being long-winded and aggressive in his question.
2. He was offending many of the other students, as you can tell by how many of them get up to leave while he prefaces his question.
3. Security acts on this to remove him from the hall. This was purely at their discretion.

4. He throws a fit.
5. Security subdues him.
6. He continues to fight.
7. Security tazers him.


I split up these events based on their relevance. These are two separate instances, they just happen to follow one another. Initially, based on the way that security was dealing with him, it appears as though he was just to be escorted out. The handcuffs and tazer never came out until he fought back. Just because he is screaming that he's being arrested doesn't mean he is. It's pretty clear that the guy just wanted to get a rise out of the audience, and that he had a political axe to grind. He is not getting arrested until he is resisting the security personnel trying to remove him from the room.

Boomer and others: I think if you break it down and look at it this way, I don't think you can really hold the security officers at fault. The guy was being rude.

he threw a fit because he knew they didn't have a right to do that. If you ask me, they should've let Kerry answer the questions.

 

[All Else Failed]

he threw a fit because he knew they didn't have a right to do that. If you ask me, they should've let Kerry answer the questions.

Kerry was telling the gaurds to let him answer his questions. The guy was fine and calm untill provoked.

 

[Boomer]

FDLE: UF Officers Acted Properly in Tasering Student - FOX30Online.com

I will never take the media's opinion. They are owned and sanctioned by the government.

I think there's a lot of confusion about this. I've never personally worked any security jobs, but I had plenty of friends who did - including on my college campus. I think I have a pretty good understanding of what happened. I'll list the things that are clear from the video.

1. The kid was being long-winded and aggressive in his question-
irrelevant
2. He was offending many of the other students, as you can tell by how many of them get up to leave while he prefaces his question. -
irrelevant
3. Security acts on this to remove him from the hall. This was purely at their discretion.

4. He throws a fit.
5. Security subdues him.
6. He continues to fight.
7. Security tazers him.


I split up these events based on their relevance. These are two separate instances, they just happen to follow one another. Initially, based on the way that security was dealing with him, it appears as though he was just to be escorted out. The handcuffs and tazer never came out until he fought back. Just because he is screaming that he's being arrested doesn't mean he is. It's pretty clear that the guy just wanted to get a rise out of the audience, and that he had a political axe to grind. He is not getting arrested until he is resisting the security personnel trying to remove him from the room.

Boomer and others: I think if you break it down and look at it this way, I don't think you can really hold the security officers at fault. The guy was being rude.

So being passionate about your views is a crime? Practicing your freedom of speach is punishable? Personally, I would want a rise out of the crowd too. I would want the crowd to rise up and stand against the injustice that is being publicly displayed. I think some Americans need to grow a spine and they are mad cause this kid did it first.

 

[HisHoliness]

Yes. He was causing a scene. I wonder how many other students asked poignant questions like this who were not removed. We'll never know. Listen to his tone. I don't think many of you realize that campus security is usually made up of only a few professional officers but staffed mostly by students.

Don't you think that there are student security officers on there with just as liberal views as the kid speaking? He just wanted to cause trouble. I agree with much of what he's saying, but he it seems to me that he's not trying to get an answer out of Kerry, he's trying to start a riot. If he just wanted his question answered, he'd get right down to it and project in a calm, clear voice. But he doesn't. He's panicked like he is bracing for something to happen. And I love how quickly he shouts that he's being arrested. He needs to grow up.

 

[HisHoliness]

I will never take the media's opinion. They are owned and sanctioned by the government.



So being passionate about your views is a crime? Practicing your freedom of speach is punishable? Personally, I would want a rise out of the crowd too. I would want the crowd to rise up and stand against the injustice that is being publicly displayed. I think some Americans need to grow a spine and they are mad cause this kid did it first.

He's not being punished. Not until he's disobeying an officer.

 

[All Else Failed]

Yes. He was causing a scene. I wonder how many other students asked poignant questions like this who were not removed. We'll never know. Listen to his tone. I don't think many of you realize that campus security is usually made up of only a few professional officers but staffed mostly by students.

Don't you think that there are student security officers on there with just as liberal views as the kid speaking? He just wanted to cause trouble. I agree with much of what he's saying, but he it seems to me that he's not trying to get an answer out of Kerry, he's trying to start a riot. If he just wanted his question answered, he'd get right down to it and project in a calm, clear voice. But he doesn't. He's panicked like he is bracing for something to happen. And I love how quickly he shouts that he's being arrested. He needs to grow up.

Thats terrible reasoning for shocking somoene with a weapon.

 

[Boomer]

He needs to grow up? Maybe you need to open your eyes, they are covered by wool.

 

[Thebest]

In case you didn't notice, many of the students were arguing with the guards about arresting him. One girl in particular said "Yeah, what'd he do?" along with several others.

 

[All Else Failed]

He's not being punished. Not until he's disobeying an officer.

Officers need to be disobeyed if they are being violent in a situation that doesn't call for violence.

 

[Boomer]

He's not being punished. Not until he's disobeying an officer.

You are correct. He is disobeying an officer that is infringing upon his rights. He is acting like a full blooded fucking American.

 

[HisHoliness]

Thats terrible reasoning for shocking somoene with a weapon.

Actually, it's very good reasoning. You can't seem to understand that he is not being shocked for what he was saying. He is being shocked for his actions against the will of the officers.

 

[Boomer]

What was he guilty of? Trying to start a riot? Yeah, lets see if that holds up in court.

 

[Boomer]

Actually, it's very good reasoning. You can't seem to understand that he is not being shocked for what he was saying. He is being shocked for his actions against the will of the officers.

I WILL NEVER CURL UP IN A BALL AND LET SOMEONE TAKE AWAY MY RIGHTS.

 

[All Else Failed]

Actually, it's very good reasoning. You can't seem to understand that he is not being shocked for what he was saying. He is being shocked for his actions against the will of the officers.

which were being unreasonable.

 

[HisHoliness]

He had the same rights as any other student in there, until he starts yapping away. Whatever the political slant may be, for or against Kerry or any perceived injustice, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. That was the wrong way.

 

[dt3]

Here's a good read for anyone who might entertain the thought that the officer's were justified in their actions.

http://www.president.ufl.edu/incident/Offense-Report072274.pdf

It's the official police report of the incident.

 

[Thebest]

I personally think it's stupid that anyone's actually arguing FOR those officers. They were completely out of line tazing that kid.

 

[HisHoliness]

which were being unreasonable.

Maybe, but like I said, it's at their discretion. It's not as though they are some automated robots. They are people too. They are completely capable of making the "wrong" call, but this is where our opinions diverge. I think they did what they felt was necessary to keep John Kerry, the other students, and keep the Q&A section safe. It's not every day that you get a speaker like Kerry. I think the guy blew his shot.

 

[HisHoliness]

Interesting report, especially on the events leading up to the video action.

 

[Thebest]

Maybe, but like I said, it's at their discretion. It's not as though they are some automated robots. They are people too. They are completely capable of making the "wrong" call, but this is where our opinions diverge. I think they did what they felt was necessary to keep John Kerry, the other students, and keep the Q&A section safe. It's not every day that you get a speaker like Kerry. I think the guy blew his shot.

So what, you think the kid was gonna pull out an AK and blow the shit outta everybody? I doubt it.