Sooo...you want Obama Re-elected?

[Panacea]

That's the thing I believe Mystic was talking about. The misinformation this country is fed. Whether or not you feel it applies to you personally is not the issue. If those on this thread do not watch mainstream media coverage, or if some are incredibly educated about politics (I'd question both ) it doesn't change the fact most Americans truly believe misinformation.

How could this country ever be run by decent people if they're "hired" in a fucked up process involving lies and manipulation?
Bitching about Obama = bitching about Bush = bitching about Bush Sr. = bitching about Carter it's all the same.

The problem is more with the country itself and the citizens within it than the figureheads in charge. The beliefs of the people dictate those elected and the policies and decisions made afterward. Hating Obama or any politician is a waste of time, it doesn't change the thing that got him elected.

That's the thing I like about Canada- Fox News, for instance (at least from what I've heard from those living in Ontario) has to be classified as entertainment, not news. I wish US citizens had the balls to make that sort of thing happen.

 

[retro]

That's the thing I believe Mystic was talking about. The misinformation this country is fed. Whether or not you feel it applies to you personally is not the issue. If those on this thread do not watch mainstream media coverage, or if some are incredibly educated about politics (I'd question both ) it doesn't change the fact most Americans truly believe misinformation.

How could this country ever be run by decent people if they're "hired" in a fucked up process involving lies and manipulation?
Bitching about Obama = bitching about Bush = bitching about Bush Sr. = bitching about Carter it's all the same.

The problem is more with the country itself and the citizens within it than the figureheads in charge. The beliefs of the people dictate those elected and the policies and decisions made afterward. Hating Obama or any politician is a waste of time, it doesn't change the thing that got him elected.

That's the thing I like about Canada- Fox News, for instance (at least from what I've heard from those living in Ontario) has to be classified as entertainment, not news. I wish US citizens had the balls to make that sort of thing happen.

If Fox News should be classified as entertainment, then so should MSNBC, CNN, and the rest of the "news" stations. Hell, I'd be happy with just calling MSNBC that to be honest. They're more liberal than FNC is conservative.

 

[Panacea]

If Fox News should be classified as entertainment, then so should MSNBC, CNN, and the rest of the "news" stations. Hell, I'd be happy with just calling MSNBC that to be honest. They're more liberal than FNC is conservative.

That was my entire point.

 

[JoeCool10]

That's the thing I believe Mystic was talking about. The misinformation this country is fed. Whether or not you feel it applies to you personally is not the issue. If those on this thread do not watch mainstream media coverage, or if some are incredibly educated about politics (I'd question both ) it doesn't change the fact most Americans truly believe misinformation.

How could this country ever be run by decent people if they're "hired" in a fucked up process involving lies and manipulation?
Bitching about Obama = bitching about Bush = bitching about Bush Sr. = bitching about Carter it's all the same.

The problem is more with the country itself and the citizens within it than the figureheads in charge. The beliefs of the people dictate those elected and the policies and decisions made afterward. Hating Obama or any politician is a waste of time, it doesn't change the thing that got him elected.

That's the thing I like about Canada- Fox News, for instance (at least from what I've heard from those living in Ontario) has to be classified as entertainment, not news. I wish US citizens had the balls to make that sort of thing happen.

US Media is all manipulated by the Democratic party anyway, so of course it's all gonna lean in favor of Obama. And, this isn't to say Bush didn't make his fair share of mistakes, but because the media is all driven by Democrats, every thing Bush did was painted in a bad light. Why? Because he's a Republican. He was accused of being racist and blamed left and right after hurricane katrina, so why wasn't Obama blamed for all the deaths during the earthquakes and tornadoes endured since he's been in office? Most people don't even have the common sense to know that you can't be blamed for a natural disaster, that's just stupid. It all comes down to common sense and using your head when voting for someone to run our country.

 

[Panacea]

US Media is all manipulated by the Democratic party anyway, so of course it's all gonna lean in favor of Obama. And, this isn't to say Bush didn't make his fair share of mistakes, but because the media is all driven by Democrats, every thing Bush did was painted in a bad light. Why? Because he's a Republican. He was accused of being racist and blamed left and right after hurricane katrina, so why wasn't Obama blamed for all the deaths during the earthquakes and tornadoes endured since he's been in office? Most people don't even have the common sense to know that you can't be blamed for a natural disaster, that's just stupid. It all comes down to common sense and using your head when voting for someone to run our country.

I think it's more than common sense, it has to be guided by as much true fact immersion as possible.
One thing I will say, conservative media got the Tea Party as popular as it has been so it's definitely not all manipulated by Democrats.

 

[rback33]

That's the thing I believe Mystic was talking about. The misinformation this country is fed. Whether or not you feel it applies to you personally is not the issue. If those on this thread do not watch mainstream media coverage, or if some are incredibly educated about politics (I'd question both ) it doesn't change the fact most Americans truly believe misinformation.

How could this country ever be run by decent people if they're "hired" in a fucked up process involving lies and manipulation?
Bitching about Obama = bitching about Bush = bitching about Bush Sr. = bitching about Carter it's all the same.

The problem is more with the country itself and the citizens within it than the figureheads in charge. The beliefs of the people dictate those elected and the policies and decisions made afterward. Hating Obama or any politician is a waste of time, it doesn't change the thing that got him elected.

That's the thing I like about Canada- Fox News, for instance (at least from what I've heard from those living in Ontario) has to be classified as entertainment, not news. I wish US citizens had the balls to make that sort of thing happen.

Holy hell. I was on a roll right with you until the last line... then retro commented first...

Edit... I see that you commented on your point while I was typing. Thanks for clarifying.

If Fox News should be classified as entertainment, then so should MSNBC, CNN, and the rest of the "news" stations. Hell, I'd be happy with just calling MSNBC that to be honest. They're more liberal than FNC is conservative.

How many people watched Obama's speech when Bin Laden was reportedly killed? Did you listen to him? It made me sick. I have never heard so many "I's" in one speech. I swear. From the sound of him, I would have guess he pulled the trigger himself. When he said his number one goal when he was elected was to take out Bin Laden I threw up in my mouth a little. How many number one goals has he had an achieved now? Every time he achieves something it was his number one goal when he was elected.

The fact is, as long as we keep electing these idiots, nothing changes. Last general election... I voted for a ton of 3rd party candidates I had never heard of. Why? Because I vowed to myself I was not going to continue the pattern of voting on party lines. I voted to replace incumbents I actually like. We all say we need to vote the garbage out. The thing is, we all think OUR people are doing a great job and expect everyone else with shitty representation to get rid of THEIR dead weight. It can't be MY people doing all this bad stuff in Washington you know.... well... that aint how it works.... until the American people decide to take their country back from the people of Washington we are all screwed..

 

[retro]

I think it's more than common sense, it has to be guided by as much true fact immersion as possible.
One thing I will say, conservative media got the Tea Party as popular as it has been so it's definitely not all manipulated by Democrats.

With the exception of Fox News, the liberals control mass media like television and newspapers. On the other hand, conservatives have a stranglehold on talk radio.

 

[Tim]

US Media is all manipulated by the Democratic party anyway, so of course it's all gonna lean in favor of Obama. And, this isn't to say Bush didn't make his fair share of mistakes, but because the media is all driven by Democrats, every thing Bush did was painted in a bad light. Why? Because he's a Republican. He was accused of being racist and blamed left and right after hurricane katrina, so why wasn't Obama blamed for all the deaths during the earthquakes and tornadoes endured since he's been in office? Most people don't even have the common sense to know that you can't be blamed for a natural disaster, that's just stupid. It all comes down to common sense and using your head when voting for someone to run our country.

Wow!

Again, facts can be your friend...

15,000 people died during Katrina. This was NOT Bush's fault, but the number could have been less if the federal government stepped in sooner.

160 people have died in floods during the 2008-2009 season. Aid has been sent to those areas, we as a country have learned to respond quicker.
Aid has been sent to the victims in Joplin along with the national guard...

And as far as the media being controlled by the democrats... not even close. Our media is corporate owned. Here is a list of the largest media outlets in America. The media outlets on this list control over 95% of what you here and see. It also lists where the board of directors interconnect with other corporations... please point out the democrats or liberals....

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• New York Times: Caryle Group, Eli Lilly, Ford, Johnson and Johnson, Hallmark, Lehman Brothers, Staples, Pepsi
• Washington Post: Lockheed Martin, Coca-Cola, Dun & Bradstreet, Gillette, G.E. Investments, J.P. Morgan, Moody's
• Knight-Ridder: Adobe Systems, Echelon, H&R Block, Kimberly-Clark, Starwood Hotels
• The Tribune (Chicago & LA Times): 3M, Allstate, Caterpillar, Conoco Phillips, Kraft, McDonalds, Pepsi, Quaker Oats, Shering Plough, Wells Fargo
• News Corp (Fox): British Airways, Rothschild Investments
• GE (NBC): Anheuser-Busch, Avon, Bechtel, Chevron/Texaco, Coca-Cola, Dell, GM, Home Depot, Kellogg, J.P. Morgan, Microsoft, Motorola, Procter & Gamble
• Disney (ABC): Boeing, Northwest Airlines, Clorox, Estee Lauder, FedEx, Gillette, Halliburton, Kmart, McKesson, Staples, Yahoo
• Viacom (CBS): American Express, Consolidated Edison, Oracle, Lafarge North America
• Gannett: AP, Lockheed-Martin, Continental Airlines, Goldman Sachs, Prudential, Target, Pepsi
• AOL-Time Warner (CNN): Citigroup, Estee Lauder, Colgate-Palmolive, Hilton

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[JoeCool10]

With the exception of Fox News, the liberals control mass media like television and newspapers. On the other hand, conservatives have a stranglehold on talk radio.

:nod::nod: They've got a death grip. But can you blame them?

 

[Tim]

With the exception of Fox News, the liberals control mass media like television and newspapers. On the other hand, conservatives have a stranglehold on talk radio.

Seriously... read my previous post...

 

[Panacea]

Holy hell. I was on a roll right with you until the last line... then retro commented first...

But both of y'all see I never explicitly left out any news source, right? I listed Fox because I know it's regulated that way in Canada. If I knew of a liberal media outlet that was regulated that way somewhere, I'd list it.

If anyone knows of one, I will add it to my post.

 

[retro]

The fact is, as long as we keep electing these idiots, nothing changes. Last general election... I voted for a ton of 3rd party candidates I had never heard of. Why? Because I vowed to myself I was not going to continue the pattern of voting on party lines. I voted to replace incumbents I actually like. We all say we need to vote the garbage out. The thing is, we all think OUR people are doing a great job and expect everyone else with shitty representation to get rid of THEIR dead weight. It can't be MY people doing all this bad stuff in Washington you know.... well... that aint how it works.... until the American people decide to take their country back from the people of Washington we are all screwed..

That is exactly what everyone needs to do. I've voted in two presidential elections (I turned 18 two weeks after the 2000 election), and I voted for Badnarik in 2004 and Barr in 2008. I couldn't stomach the idea of voting for Bush, Kerry, Obama, or McCain in those elections. In my local elections in 2010, I voted for a few Republicans... my local congressman, whom I've met and think is doing a good job (plus he ran unopposed by anyone), as well as a number of state positions (none of whom won). When I lived in Texas I don't think I voted for a single Democrat or Republican in my two elections there either.

If people would stop saying that third parties aren't viable, then they would be viable. I don't get why people don't understand that very simple concept. If the "Tea Party" can become it's own entity within a party and unseat establishment Republicans, why can't a third party rise up? Because people don't see them as viable. It disgusts me that we've become so entrenched in a two party system that nobody sees anything else as an option.

 

[Panacea]

With the exception of Fox News, the liberals control mass media like television and newspapers. On the other hand, conservatives have a stranglehold on talk radio.

Doesn't make what I said wrong, and I'm not sure why you're all assuming I am not including every media outlet when I talk about misinformation. Incorrect information is incorrect information, and I think it's the reason we pick bad candidates. Don't assume my intentions.

 

[rback33]

But both of y'all see I never explicitly left out any news source, right? I listed Fox because I know it's regulated that way in Canada. If I knew of a liberal media outlet that was regulated that way somewhere, I'd list it.

If anyone knows of one, I will add it to my post.

I think retro and I both thought you were saying that this label on Fox was appropriate and were not bothered that the liberal side of American media was not portrayed the same way. Simple misunderstanding. We are on the same page. We Steelers fans have to stick together anyway...:thumbup

 

[Panacea]

I think retro and I both thought you were saying that this label on Fox was appropriate and were not bothered that the liberal side of American media was not portrayed the same way. Simple misunderstanding. We are on the same page. We Steelers fans have to stick together anyway...:thumbup

It's cool, it's just the only example I know of. I like that, the idea a country would say no, fuck that shit, it's not news. Now I don't know what their news coverage is like, not saying it's necessarily better or less corrupt, but I just wish we took control over what we are fed.

They won't run what we don't watch! :nod:

 

[retro]

Wow!

Again, facts can be your friend...

15,000 people died during Katrina. This was NOT Bush's fault, but the number could have been less if the federal government stepped in sooner.

160 people have died in floods during the 2008-2009 season. Aid has been sent to those areas, we as a country have learned to respond quicker.
Aid has been sent to the victims in Joplin along with the national guard...

And as far as the media being controlled by the democrats... not even close. Our media is corporate owned. Here is a list of the largest media outlets in America. The media outlets on this list control over 95% of what you here and see. It also lists where the board of directors interconnect with other corporations... please point out the democrats or liberals....

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

• New York Times: Caryle Group, Eli Lilly, Ford, Johnson and Johnson, Hallmark, Lehman Brothers, Staples, Pepsi
• Washington Post: Lockheed Martin, Coca-Cola, Dun & Bradstreet, Gillette, G.E. Investments, J.P. Morgan, Moody's
• Knight-Ridder: Adobe Systems, Echelon, H&R Block, Kimberly-Clark, Starwood Hotels
• The Tribune (Chicago & LA Times): 3M, Allstate, Caterpillar, Conoco Phillips, Kraft, McDonalds, Pepsi, Quaker Oats, Shering Plough, Wells Fargo
• News Corp (Fox): British Airways, Rothschild Investments
• GE (NBC): Anheuser-Busch, Avon, Bechtel, Chevron/Texaco, Coca-Cola, Dell, GM, Home Depot, Kellogg, J.P. Morgan, Microsoft, Motorola, Procter & Gamble
• Disney (ABC): Boeing, Northwest Airlines, Clorox, Estee Lauder, FedEx, Gillette, Halliburton, Kmart, McKesson, Staples, Yahoo
• Viacom (CBS): American Express, Consolidated Edison, Oracle, Lafarge North America
• Gannett: AP, Lockheed-Martin, Continental Airlines, Goldman Sachs, Prudential, Target, Pepsi
• AOL-Time Warner (CNN): Citigroup, Estee Lauder, Colgate-Palmolive, Hilton

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Lets see here.... GE is chaired by an Obama economic committee member, and they have the controlling shares in NBC. George Soros has ties to something like 30 different media entities, both in the United States and around the world... through his many different institutes. If you actually take the time to backtrace those companies, you're going to find Soros himself or Soros institutes invested in or involved with a number of controlling interests in media outlets.

Edit: I'm also fairly certain that Ted Turner still controls stock in a number of different media outlets as well.

 

[JoeCool10]

Wow!

Again, facts can be your friend...

15,000 people died during Katrina. This was NOT Bush's fault, but the number could have been less if the federal government stepped in sooner.

160 people have died in floods during the 2008-2009 season. Aid has been sent to those areas, we as a country have learned to respond quicker.
Aid has been sent to the victims in Joplin along with the national guard...[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

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I didn't say it was Bush's fault. I said he was blamed. Am I wrong there? My point in bringing that up was that American's blamed Bush, and Obama hasn't had the finger pointed at him once.

 

[Panacea]

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I didn't say it was Bush's fault. I said he was blamed. Am I wrong there? My point in bringing that up was that American's blamed Bush, and Obama hasn't had the finger pointed at him once.

I think there is more hatred for Bush than Obama, but there is plenty of finger pointing. His approval rating was incredibly low, he had no chance of re-election before this Bin Laden thing.

 

[retro]

I think there is more hatred for Bush than Obama, but there is plenty of finger pointing. His approval rating was incredibly low, he had no chance of re-election before this Bin Laden thing.

Convenient timing.... though his numbers slipped right back down to where they were prior to bin Laden being killed about two weeks later.

 

[JoeCool10]

I think there is more hatred for Bush than Obama, but there is plenty of finger pointing. His approval rating was incredibly low, he had no chance of re-election before this Bin Laden thing.

That I understand. I think it was like a year or so after he was elected, this one poll I saw said something like 66%+ of the people who voted for him regret their decision. But I don't remember what the amount of people in the group was. Even then, though, he's been painted as a second messiah. There was definitely more hatred for Bush than Obama.