Sooo...you want Obama Re-elected?

[Tim]

You are trying to justify the friggin Stimulus bullshit. Good for you I guess.

There is no evidence it did a god damn thing. You can claim it saved jobs but there is no proof. It is the same tactic the left uses to claim cuts will kill or starve granny and the kids. It was an absolute waste of frigging money.



Is this clear enough for you?
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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/72404


Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined, {Says Gov’t Data}

And Reagan tripled the national debt in his term... Bush doubled it in his... What's your point?

Did you know that Obama put the Iraq war, Afghanistan war and medicare part D on the books? This was money that was spent before he came into office and kept off the books to make it look better to the people. Obama put this on the books and it made it look like the debt tripled overnight but that's not the case. It wasn't more debt added by Obama, it was nothing more than actually putting it on the books like it should have been since day one.

 

[Mystic]

It just frustrates the hell out of me that our politicians are picked by the media and pundits and the uninformed voter pulls the lever without any facts at all.

If the media paints you as a bad president, you are in the eyes of the low information voter. It doesn't matter that you are accomplishing what you said you would when you campaigned.

I have to say whether you agree with his policies or not, he's one of the hardest working presidents in quite a long time.
Didn't Bush spend 25% of his first term on vacation?

:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup, and the rest of the world likes him:nod:

 

[Panacea]

:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup, and the rest of the world likes him:nod:

I just saw someone in Ontario with an Obama/Biden 2008 sticker, found it interesting lol

 

[Mystic]

I just saw someone in Ontario with an Obama/Biden 2008 sticker, found it interesting lol

I'm English and all my English family in the UK love him, plus everyone i know in Canada love him. Obama is exactly what the US needed to help get you guys out of the stone age. Its sad to see how your media has 'Satanized' him. You guys need to be more informed and I don't think you are and its very sad to watch. You are good people driven and corralled by media which is spin doctored so badly you don't know your arse from your elbows. You guys need to let this current president finish the good work he has begone. He is trying to dig you out of the hole the republicans put you in. Don't blame a good man who is working hard that was handed a country in a terrible state caused by the previous president. The rest of the world sees this and we understand this, we just wish you would too. You could be great again but you need to educate yourself better.

Thats all i'm saying in this thread.....

 

[retro]

And Reagan tripled the national debt in his term... Bush doubled it in his... What's your point?

Did you know that Obama put the Iraq war, Afghanistan war and medicare part D on the books? This was money that was spent before he came into office and kept off the books to make it look better to the people. Obama put this on the books and it made it look like the debt tripled overnight but that's not the case. It wasn't more debt added by Obama, it was nothing more than actually putting it on the books like it should have been since day one.

and didn't Bush stop creatively counting Medicare and Social Security taxes as part of revenue, unlike the Clinton Administration? Oh, and by the way, that's where Clinton's "surplus" came from.

 

[retro]

I'm English and all my English family in the UK love him, plus everyone i know in Canada love him. Obama is exactly what the US needed to help get you guys out of the stone age. Its sad to see how your media has 'Satanized' him. You guys need to be more informed and I don't think you are and its very sad to watch. You are good people driven and corralled by media which is spin doctored so badly you don't know your arse from your elbows. You guys need to let this current president finish the good work he has begone. He is trying to dig you out of the hole the republicans put you in. Don't blame a good man who is working hard that was handed a country in a terrible state caused by the previous president. The rest of the world sees this and we understand this, we just wish you would too. You could be great again but you need to educate yourself better.

Thats all i'm saying in this thread.....

Wow? Seriously? I honestly think that's one of the most ignorant things I've seen anyone say. The media here hasn't satanized Obama... in fact it's been quite the opposite other than what you hear on Fox News or Conservative talk radio. The media has propped him up as a savior and this wonderful president since before he started campaigning for the office. Jesus Christ, don't tell me to that I need to be more informed when you obviously don't have a goddamn clue what's actually going on. No offense, but I don't take kindly to people talking out of their asses about things that they have absolutely no clue about. There are plenty of informed people in this country, and just as many uninformed... on both sides.

Obama is digging the hole deeper, not digging us out. That should be plain to anyone with half a brain and an objective mind. Bush was bad, and Obama is even worse. He's a joke of a President, with absolutely no qualifications for the office, and he's shown that he's been completely lost since taking office. He surrounded himself with a bunch of yes men that don't dare speak against him. He completely disregarded legal advice from the DoJ stating that military action in Libya was unconstitutional (and it is), and that's the way it's been his entire time in office. I think the toilet paper that gets stocked in the White House is printed with the text of the Constitution on it.

There's part of a quote that really goes along with what I'm saying here.

... Barack Obama didn’t so much change our course, as radically increase our velocity

 

[Accountable]

Thats all i'm saying in this thread.....

Good. Then I won't give my opinion of your post.

eta: oops. I see I'm late anyway.

 

[retro]

Good. Then I won't give my opinion of your post.

eta: oops. I see I'm late anyway.

What can I say, I'm on the ball here. And I'm bored and have nothing else better to do.

 

[Tim]

When have I ever brought up immigration/immigrants? :dunno

He hasn't done much, if he's done anything at all. Especially not in Florida. Do you know how many illegals we have in this city ALONE? And they're living here, getting paid under the table, they don't have papers, licenses, passports, visas, NOTHING. And yes, I know this first hand. I live down the street from people who smuggle people into this country bi-weekly. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. I worked for a company that paid sub contractors who had illegal immigrants working for them. How? Because there's a loop hole. As long as we're paying the licensed, certified sub contractor, it wouldn't effect our company as far as audits or lawsuits are concerned. I don't need to read statistics or reports or listen to the news to understand that he hasn't done shit for Florida. His grade, poor.

There are more border agents today under Obama than there have ever been in the history of the US
He is spending more on enforcement
100% of all rail cars are now screened before crossing the border
39% increase in contraband seizures
has fined businesses millions in fines for repeatedly hiring illegals
3 times the number of employer audits
20% increase in the number of deported illegal immigrants. Over 300,000 a year

Under EVERY measure, he has been more effective than ANY other president when it comes to illegal immigration.
But you didn't know that, did you? You don't here this on the news or read about it in the papers. You actually need to go to the sources and look at the numbers and chart it out...

Here is a link that shows this... Now don't just read the article and take it at face value, use the links that go directly back to the source and see for yourself...
http://mediamatters.org/research/201007290030

 

[retro]

Wait... did you seriously just use Mediamatters as a source? That would be like me using Heritage as a source... God knows you'd throw a tantrum over it.

 

[JoeCool10]

There are more border agents today under Obama than there have ever been in the history of the US
He is spending more on enforcement
100% of all rail cars are now screened before crossing the border
39% increase in contraband seizures
has fined businesses millions in fines for repeatedly hiring illegals
3 times the number of employer audits
20% increase in the number of deported illegal immigrants. Over 300,000 a year

Under EVERY measure, he has been more effective than ANY other president when it comes to illegal immigration.
But you didn't know that, did you? You don't here this on the news or read about it in the papers. You actually need to go to the sources and look at the numbers and chart it out...

Here is a link that shows this... Now don't just read the article and take it at face value, use the links that go directly back to the source and see for yourself...
http://mediamatters.org/research/201007290030

It's clear that he hasn't. Do you even live anywhere near a border?

 

[Tim]

...Here is a link that shows this... Now don't just read the article and take it at face value, use the links that go directly back to the source and see for yourself...
http://mediamatters.org/research/201007290030

Wait... did you seriously just use Mediamatters as a source? That would be like me using Heritage as a source... God knows you'd throw a tantrum over it.

What part of that don't you understand?
I wouldn't mind a link back to a Heritage article if they actually used verifiable facts... :24:

 

[Tim]

It's clear that he hasn't. Do you even live anywhere near a border?

Are you fucking kidding me???


Screw it... just go back to the insults, you were better at that. Leave the important topics to the grown ups

 

[BadBoy]

There are more border agents today under Obama than there have ever been in the history of the US
He is spending more on enforcement
100% of all rail cars are now screened before crossing the border
39% increase in contraband seizures
has fined businesses millions in fines for repeatedly hiring illegals
3 times the number of employer audits
20% increase in the number of deported illegal immigrants. Over 300,000 a year

Under EVERY measure, he has been more effective than ANY other president when it comes to illegal immigration.
But you didn't know that, did you? You don't here this on the news or read about it in the papers. You actually need to go to the sources and look at the numbers and chart it out...

Here is a link that shows this... Now don't just read the article and take it at face value, use the links that go directly back to the source and see for yourself...
http://mediamatters.org/research/201007290030

Yet, we still have a problem and waste billions of dollars on this crap. Why? Close our borders and quit chasing phantoms in Afghanistan. It makes me sick all the money we waste on worrying about other countries. We would have so much surplus cash if we spent it all here it wouldn't even be funny. I like Trump's approach, we should start sending invoices to these countries we police because they are too poor or stupid to do it themselves. Wait, probably not stupid since they don't have to spend the money. The Euro would be shit if they actually had to spend some money.

 

[JoeCool10]

Never mind what you think, or what statistics or articles you give me. The bottom line is, it's my opinion that I think he's a terrible president. I don't need to give you facts as to WHY he is, I just know I'm not voting for him. I wasn't stupid enough to do it last time, and anyone that is this time around, I feel sorry for.

And does my agreeing with you make me a grown up? In-fucking-credible. The moment someone disagrees with you or uses common sense, they're a child.

 

[Tim]

Yet, we still have a problem and waste billions of dollars on this crap. Why? Close our borders and quit chasing phantoms in Afghanistan. It makes me sick all the money we waste on worrying about other countries. We would have so much surplus cash if we spent it all here it wouldn't even be funny. I like Trump's approach, we should start sending invoices to these countries we police because they are too poor or stupid to do it themselves. Wait, probably not stupid since they don't have to spend the money. The Euro would be shit if they actually had to spend some money.

I agree, lets get the fuck out of Iraq and Afghanistan completely. Obama is doing pretty good as far as Iraq is concerned (But we need to get them all out) and I think he's taking too long in Afgan...
Just remember it was just about EVERY republican that was creaming in their jeans to go to war. It was Bush that decided to spend trillions of dollars going to war AND reduce taxes (double whammy)
And the borders are more secure today than they have ever been (but we need to go even further)

Never mind what you think, or what statistics or articles you give me. The bottom line is, it's my opinion that I think he's a terrible president. I don't need to give you facts as to WHY he is, I just know I'm not voting for him. I wasn't stupid enough to do it last time, and anyone that is this time around, I feel sorry for.

And this is exactly what I am talking about when I mention low information voters.
When someone asks you a direct question on how you think this president is doing in a given area (Illegal immigration) you state "He hasn't done much, if he's done anything at all...." and you base this on what's going on in your neighborhood, not a single fact. Hell, you don't even care what the facts are, you are happy just going along with whatever you are told...
I doesn't matter to me if you agree with me or not, but please inform yourself

 

[Alien Allen]

lets keep the insults limited to Obama

lord knows he sure as frick deserves that

 

[Alien Allen]

plenty on the left were glad to go into Iraq also Tim

as was a majority of the country at the time.

lets not forget those inconvenient facts.

Even if it was an error the bottom line is Bush got us into something that the majority was comfortable with.

 

[Tim]

plenty on the left were glad to go into Iraq also Tim

as was a majority of the country at the time.

lets not forget those inconvenient facts.

Even if it was an error the bottom line is Bush got us into something that the majority was comfortable with.

I agree...

Hell, I remember when it all went down. In the beginning I was all for it. I admit I got caught up in the media frenzy. I remember hearing Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell, etc on the TV and I believed what they were saying. I was mislead right along with many other Americans.

 

[JoeCool10]

And this is exactly what I am talking about when I mention low information voters.
When someone asks you a direct question on how you think this president is doing in a given area (Illegal immigration) you state "He hasn't done much, if he's done anything at all...." and you base this on what's going on in your neighborhood, not a single fact. Hell, you don't even care what the facts are, you are happy just going along with whatever you are told...
I doesn't matter to me if you agree with me or not, but please inform yourself

So you think that what I see from experience has no substance versus some stupid charts? And did I say I don't care what the facts are? I know plenty. You only asked me about one of the "numerous, wonderful, saintly" things he's done. And, not my opinion, but statement, because it is fact, that he hasn't done near enough to keep the borders protected. Once again, especially NOT IN MIAMI.

Anyway, have fun getting yourself worked up over a self-glorified president that's burning our country to the ground.