Sees what exactly... what were you, 5 or 6 y/o when Bush was elected president?
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Uh, no. I was about that when Clinton was in term. And what does Bush have to do with this? It's a thread observing OBAMA as a president, not Bush or anyone else. You obviously don't agree with me on anything, why should you? You know everything, right? Thread closed, everyone can go home. Almighty Tim has spoken again!
It technically doesn't matter. We're on the road to ruin. Whoever is in power will be almost as irresponsible with our dollars as Obama has been. It's in the tea leaves. Take your pick, we're toast. Whoever is in Congress will go along with it.
Peter Parka
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You sound exactly like the Republicans in that South Park epidode when Obama got elected!
Game over man! We're doomed! We're all gonna die!
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You know me well enough by now to realize that I'm not going by what the media says about him... I call him a bad president because, well, that's what he is. My boss is a hardworking guy too, it doesn't mean that he's very good at his job, it just means that he shows up regularly and is here for a lot of hours.
By the same token, isn't your complaint about the media exactly how Obama was elected in the first place? Is the media the reason that Bush was painted as a bad President? He accomplished a lot of the things he said he was going to do when he campaigned as well. Obama has done things that he said he would when he was running for President... and he hasn't done plenty of those things either.
As far as vacation time goes... hasn't Obama spent practically every Sunday since taking office golfing? Hasn't he taken his family on vacation numerous times during the last 2.5 years? You've previously said that when Obama is on "vacation" he's still working... well why don't you say the same thing about Bush's trips to Camp David or his ranch?
Let's see, there was that whole stimulus program... that didn't do anything for the economy. I remember something about the only way that unemployment wasn't going to go over 9% was if we enacted the so-called stimulus. Well, it did go over 9%... but wait, it would have gone higher if we hadn't. That's the excuse for it... there's no facts to back up those claims. The national debt has what, doubled since Obama took office? The dollar is weaker than ever before, and we look to be moving into a double dip recession. Man, he's been such a great President.
Ok, you want to have a grown-up conversation?
Since this is something you talked about before, something that affects your area...
How would you grade the President on illegal immigration/immigrants? How has he done in this area since becoming president?
Typical Tim... someone starts disagreeing with you, and you're there to throw Bush in the mix to distract from everything else.
Wow! Even you missed the point here. It wasn't the fact that Bush was president, it was just pointing out that it's quite difficult to compare Obama's presidency with any other when she was in grade school during Bush's term. Either she was a political wonk that did a hell of a lot of research in the past year or two or she is just parroting what she here's on the news... I venture to guess it's the later.
So the billions of dollars that went directly to the states that saved the jobs of teachers, fire fighters, police, paramedics, etc. didn't do a damn thing? It would have been better if they were all fired because the states didn't have the funds?
If you can't even admit that the stimulus has helped some, then how can we even have an honest conversation about it? I'll admit that it didn't do as much as was promised, but the dollars did funnel into local economies when no one else was spending. That is the life blood of our economy.
I still want someone to answer what he has done to raise the debt.
so far we have one answer, and that's the stimulus which added $787 billion of which
$122.5B went to us in the form of individual tax credits (did that help us at all?)
$89.3B went to working people in tax credits ($400 to individuals, $800 to families)
$33.4B went to businesses in tax incentives to hire more people
$80.9B to education
Look at the complete list here... http://www.recovery.gov/Transparency/fundingoverview/Pages/fundingbreakdown.aspx
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
this post is one of your looniest
It is easy to see why the debt is so high.
Regan got half of his policy initiatives correctly. His trickle down theory worked. It raised revenue but the congress got a hard on seeing the money keep coming in and just had to piss away more than was was coming in. He never controlled spending. He lost the nerve along with the republicans to control spending because the democrats did their same old same old that it would kill granny and the kids.
That was when I first heard about base line budgeting. A perfectly insane way to ensure more money is spent each year. Pick an amount to increase for an item and then if one dares reduce the increase let along to make an actual cut then the sky is gonna fall, granny will die, and kids will starve.
Bush was an abysmal loser. He got it wrong on all parts
Then we have Obama. If you do not believe he has massively increased the debt with his policies when the numbers are there that prove it then you just took off the veil of bullshit that you claim you are not a died in the wool democrat.
We need to get the hell out of the business of nation building and getting involved in everybodys civil war because before you know it is going to come down to us having a civil war to get this country under control. I don't think many people really realize just how bad this is getting.
I am fed up with both parties whining about the debt when the other is in control. Then when they get a chance to do something the other side distorts things. We need some god damn adults in charge for once and get the pundits on both sides to be held accountable for actually reporting news instead of making it up as they choose.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
recovery/transparency..............gov
not that is just too damn funny given the fact the stimulus and Obamacare keep having crap seep out all the time which those who voted for them never knew about
what a great way to govern
not that is just too damn funny given the fact the stimulus and Obamacare keep having crap seep out all the time which those who voted for them never knew about
what a great way to govern
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Stop making sense. We can't have that here.:clap
Trickle down economics DID NOT work and even Reagan's top economic guy has admitted that. But that's an entirely different discussion...
Now back to my question... WHAT POLICIES have raised the national debt? You aren't answering the question...
According to this OP and most republicans, Obama has doubled the national debt. Where did Obama spend this $9 Trillion???
I don't know, I followed politics pretty closely when I was in Jr. High and High School... but I'm probably the exception there.
I don't know about anywhere else, but the stimulus didn't seem to do a damn thing around here... our school districts are still laying people off, our cities are still laying off city workers, police, and fire fighters. The state of California is still trying to appropriate (read: steal) money from city's surpluses (happened to my city, as well as Clovis, CA among others). The State of California is still underwater... so no, as far as I'm concerned... the stimulus did absolutely nothing. Obama made this big deal that unemployment would skyrocket unless we passed it (fear mongering anyone?), and yet it still went up and it's still going up.
The only benefit I saw was the $400 tax credit for one year... and that's it. That didn't help me at all in the long-run... I still pay a total tax rate of just under 20% when you combine state and federal taxes. $400 in the grand scheme of things is right about the taxes that I pay in a single paycheck. So I had taxes removed from 1/26th of my income... that's a really big break there. Incentives for businesses? Those same businesses that are going out of business or laying people off in anticipation of the requirements of Obamacare? Give me a break. Unemployment and spending are completely out of control. Yet the Democrats answer is to raise taxes? Brilliant plan, lets raise taxes even more and put a higher tax burden on businesses and the working class.
Jesus, I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
You are trying to justify the friggin Stimulus bullshit. Good for you I guess.
There is no evidence it did a god damn thing. You can claim it saved jobs but there is no proof. It is the same tactic the left uses to claim cuts will kill or starve granny and the kids. It was an absolute waste of frigging money.
Is this clear enough for you?
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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/72404
Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined, {Says Gov’t Data}
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Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
and don't you dare come back that congress controls spending so they are responsible for the debt.
That is true but the presidents always are held accountable so for historical reasons that won't fly if that is what you are trying to work up to.
It is a pretty good reason though why most voters don't deserve to vote because if they had any concerns about spending they would have voted out all incumbents in congress years ago.
That is true but the presidents always are held accountable so for historical reasons that won't fly if that is what you are trying to work up to.
It is a pretty good reason though why most voters don't deserve to vote because if they had any concerns about spending they would have voted out all incumbents in congress years ago.
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That's why this nation was at its most prosperous during the Reagan administration, right? The only reason the debt went up during that time period was because military spending went up in trying to end the cold war. Revenues were at an all-time high during Reagan's terms in office... but you're right, his economic policies didn't work at all.
The stimulus accounts for $6.5B of the $4.8T of debt increases we've experienced. $14B was lost due to the GM and Chrysler bailouts. Then go look at the budgets he has proposed during his time in office. This current one calls for the national debt to double in the next 10 years, from $13T to over $26T. None of his budgets have included plans to lower the national debt in any sort of timely fashion... they all increase them. The last budget showed the country never running less than a $500M deficit. Brilliant fiscal policy there, absolutely brilliant.
Didn't Obama promise "change"? Didn't he promise "budget reform"? I've seen none of that.
Especially when the President's party controlled both sides of Congress when the massive debt increase occurred.
When have I ever brought up immigration/immigrants? :dunno
He hasn't done much, if he's done anything at all. Especially not in Florida. Do you know how many illegals we have in this city ALONE? And they're living here, getting paid under the table, they don't have papers, licenses, passports, visas, NOTHING. And yes, I know this first hand. I live down the street from people who smuggle people into this country bi-weekly. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. I worked for a company that paid sub contractors who had illegal immigrants working for them. How? Because there's a loop hole. As long as we're paying the licensed, certified sub contractor, it wouldn't effect our company as far as audits or lawsuits are concerned. I don't need to read statistics or reports or listen to the news to understand that he hasn't done shit for Florida. His grade, poor.
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