Should the BNP Be Banned?

[Meirionnydd]

LOL @ the words I bolded - my point in the 'Stormfront' thread proven.

Why is no one mentioning chavs or rednecks or the like? Because this ISN'T a thread regarding them, it's a thread regarding immigration and such - the BNP have nothing against chavs or lowlives. If you like, I'll happily make a thread entitled 'Chavs' and then we can have a good old bitch about them - just so you don't get confused about 'racism' or 'prejudice' or any of that, as you clearly are. It's just I think we wanted to stick on topic in this particular thread.

Uhm no. You're a racist.

Pure and simple. Look back to the Stormfront thread.

That's a good reply to my post though. Like, refuting none of points, and laughing because I use FACTS in my argument, unlike you who uses ignorant racist dribble to try and conjure an argument.

But, one thing that always remains true. You can never successfully argue with a racist.

 

[Siphorous]

Blaze- many threads evolve and people do go off topic. Just because this thread is in a 'serious' area like politics doesn't mean it's immune to that. Even you yourself have gone off topic in this thread along the very same lines you complained about in reply to Meirionnydd.

For the record, I'm not a fan of chavs either.

 

[Meirionnydd]

You use facts? So from on the other side of the world, you take a couple of facts (which can't even be entirely accurate - census does not pick up EVERYTHING that goes on here) and argue with them against people who actually live and breathe among it daily? :24:

Sometimes I'm aghast at the stupidity of people!

A census?... Excuse me, but what? I'm not using a census to argue with you...

Crime statistics is not a form of 'census'.... But whatever.

But anyway, I can argue them with you. I study Crime and Criminal Justice in University, so I know a lot about the ignorant assumptions people make about the crime in general, which you're doing a lot.

Which is what you seem to be doing, because all you talk about is 'black related crime' and how it's swept the cities. Apart from the fact that you CAN'T PROVE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT TRUE (Maybe you'd understand if I put it in capital letters), you seem oblivious to two key points.

1. Crime is decreasing in the UK - And yes, it is an accurate picture on the level of crime in the country because it includes BOTH administrative data, and victimisation reports.

2. You CANNOT make the assertion that immigrants/blacks/whatever cause more crime either, because the Police doesn't record the racial make up of offenders when recording offences.

As Tim said to you way earlier in another thread, crime is NOT a racial problem, it's a social phenomenon, something you fail to understand.

 

[Meirionnydd]

God, you bore me. Textbook-learners always bore me, though there's nothing funnier than a university student who's read a few passages out of books and can't wait to test his thoughts out on the subject he's studying - in this case it's crime. So you've done a bit of reading on crime and looked up a couple of "home office" reports? Well, anyone can do that! However, it's impossible for you to make an accurate judgement because, wait, you're not actually here! I can tell you're the type who would believe everything his government tells him, same as no experience in the matter makes your opinion void. I would love you to give your opinions to people in this country (this doesn't count Peter, and politeness means I won't state why, unless of course he specifically asks:24 and I guarantee they would laugh in your face. GUARANTEE.

Speaking of the other thread, go back and read it. I asked a few questions to be answered about my apparent evil racism - go ahead and reply.

Nothing annoys me more than people that try and disregard facts when confronted with them.

First off, i'm not just studying a 'subject' in crime... It's a 4 year bachelor's degree in Criminology and Criminal Justice. Unlike you, who doesn't know jack shit about the subject (it really shows).

There are some cold hard facts about crime that apply to nearly Western country and jurisdiction, this can (GASP) be applied to the UK as well. Just because you live there, doesn't mean you actually 'know more' than me about the situation of crime in the country. You are so perceptionally biased and prejudiced that you are willing to disregard anything I say that contradicts your points.

Even though you live in the UK, you can still be WRONG. Which you don't seem to understand. First hand experience doesn't mean ANYTHING if you are wrong.

you're not actually here! I can tell you're the type who would believe everything his government tells him, same as no experience in the matter makes your opinion void.

This really shows the kind of ignorance you really have.

The criminal justice system (corrections, courts and police) are INDEPENDENT from the executive. These aren't 'government' statistics, but rather administrative data collected by police, not the 'government'.

 

[Siphorous]

No one is omnipresent Blaze except God...

Meirionnydd - here:

You'll probably have more success debating with that.

 

[dt3]

it's impossible for you to make an accurate judgement because, wait, you're not actually here!

Thousands of scientists have studied moon rocks, yet only one geologist ever went to the moon. Are all their conclusions invalid because they weren't there? No.

She looked at valid data, and interpreted it based on her knowledge. Do you refute her statistics? Because your attempt at discrediting her is pathetic.

 

[skyblue]

A census?... Excuse me, but what? I'm not using a census to argue with you...

Crime statistics is not a form of 'census'.... But whatever.

But anyway, I can argue them with you. I study Crime and Criminal Justice in University, so I know a lot about the ignorant assumptions people make about the crime in general, which you're doing a lot.

Which is what you seem to be doing, because all you talk about is 'black related crime' and how it's swept the cities. Apart from the fact that you CAN'T PROVE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT TRUE (Maybe you'd understand if I put it in capital letters), you seem oblivious to two key points.

1. Crime is decreasing in the UK - And yes, it is an accurate picture on the level of crime in the country because it includes BOTH administrative data, and victimisation reports.

2. You CANNOT make the assertion that immigrants/blacks/whatever cause more crime either, because the Police doesn't record the racial make up of offenders when recording offences.

As Tim said to you way earlier in another thread, crime is NOT a racial problem, it's a social phenomenon, something you fail to understand.

crime is rising,stabbing and other violent crimes are rising,sex related crime is rising and gang activity is on the up......you need to live here to experience it

 

[doadesweb]

Simple answer to the question..

Yes! :kneeljoe:

 

[dt3]

crime is rising,stabbing and other violent crimes are rising,sex related crime is rising and gang activity is on the up......you need to live here to experience it

The statistics are from the whole UK. You don't live in the entire UK. It's entirely possible that even though crime in your local area is up, decreases in the rest of the country bring down the total.

 

[Peter Parka]

Crime in the UK overall is falling. Here at the statistics from the Home Office.

Crime statistics | Home Office

 

[dt3]

And dt3, before you start talking about pathetic attempts at discrediting, don't look at me. She's doing a fine job of it on her own. I happened to show what she said on a UK forum - there are a lot of people there by the way, up and down the country. I won't even mention what they said - though it's pretty embarrassing on her part. I even felt embarrassed for her :24:

So your random sampling of, what, a hundred people discredits the statistics from the British Government? Not buying it sweetie. An internet forum does not a sampling source make.

To further expand my point, are any of these other people on this other forum in law enforcement? If the majority of them are, then maybe you'd have a point. Otherwise you're just asking people who get their information from the media, which makes money off of selling the horrorific crime stories.

 

[Peter Parka]

Save your breath - they're so wallowed in their 'facts' and 'statistics' they end up talking out their arse. Pretty cheeky considering they haven't stepped foot here. :24:

Yes, random stereotyping is a much more reliable source than facts. :urstupid:

 

[Meirionnydd]

Save your breath - they're so wallowed in their 'facts' and 'statistics' they end up talking out their arse. Pretty cheeky considering they haven't stepped foot here. :24:

As far as I'm concerned, that particular topic of conversation is over. I told the silly textbook-learning girl that she bores me - I have no interest in people who (literally) don't know what they're talking about. And dt3, before you start talking about pathetic attempts at discrediting, don't look at me. She's doing a fine job of it on her own. I happened to show what she said on a UK forum - there are a lot of people there by the way, up and down the country. I won't even mention what they said - though it's pretty embarrassing on her part. I even felt embarrassed for her :24:

I'M A GUY.

And you felt the need to show my views to others on the internet, I feel somewhat violated =\

I'm really getting sick of you. You're wrong, you need to face up to that.

I'm still waiting on you to refute my points. Although I don't think that's going to happen. Just because you've called me a 'silly textbook learning person' doesn't mean you've discredited me, all it shows to this forum that you are a very immature person who cannot debate properly. All you seem to do is run on a random tangent without focusing on responding to my arguments.

So wallow on all you want about how since you live in the UK, you know everything and your view is the ultimate truth. Even though I might add, Peter - Who lives in the UK and who's opinion I deeply respect, agrees with me on this issue (I think =P)

I don't want to be insulting, but since you've called me a 'ignorant/narrow-minded/silly textbooks person' I thought I might weigh in on this issue. I personally think you're a very ignorant and narrow minded person who clings to tightly to her racist and misinformed perceptions on reality while trying to discredit anyone who disagrees with you with fact.

Grow up.

 

[Siphorous]

I'M A GUY.<snip>

Despite her incorrect thinking you're a lady, I just got the impression she took bits of your posts here and crossposted them on some UK forum just so people could shore up her own thoughts on the matter and so on.

A brick wall offers more meaningful conversation I'm afraid

 

[Meirionnydd]

Despite her incorrect thinking you're a lady, I just got the impression she took bits of your posts here and crossposted them on some UK forum just so people could shore up her own thoughts on the matter and so on.

A brick wall offers more meaningful conversation I'm afraid

Oh yes, I just realised that haha. I've changed my original post accordingly.

And it is very reminiscent of arguing with a brick wall.

 

[Siphorous]

Oh yes, I just realised that haha. I've changed my original post accordingly.

And it is very reminiscent of arguing with a brick wall.

Edited my quote accordingly

 

[Siphorous]

Keep speaking your mind Blaze - I'm enjoying the silence :24:

 

[skyblue]

sorry to have to tell you this but WELSH is far from a dead Language!!!! In wales children are taught through the medium of Welsh in Schools and it is Compulsory. It may be a minority Language, but it is very much making a comeback-and is growing day by day and year by year!!!
The BNP is another issue-and they are an embarrassment, to put it lightly!!

damn right......i go to wales and look for signposts to colwyn bay and all i see is lllangrignoggogogogh:willy_nilly:

 

[Siphorous]

^That's what you call trying - and failing - to be funny looooool. I can tell you're a big hit with women (sarcasm, btw)

Please, another encore if you will!

 

[Meirionnydd]

blah.

/yawn