Should teachers be allowed to carry guns in schools?

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GuesSAngel

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some "children" are more mature than some "adults"
and some "children" have more knowledge in subjects than "adults"

and this was on open discussion so bri can respond to whatever she likes.

yeah some, and I really don't see any on this forum. She came in the middle of what I assumed was an arguement between (can't remember his name lol) and I. Something that I said that he didn't like. She didn't even help the subject matter with it, just added more complaints.
 
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yeah some, and I really don't see any on this forum. She came in the middle of what I assumed was an arguement between (can't remember his name lol) and I. Something that I said that he didn't like. She didn't even help the subject matter with it, just added more complaints.

well then discredit her argument by saying it's not relevant or ignore her, but don't make people think you don't respect people's opinions just because of age.

i know you don't think that way, and tits is a newb...
 

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well then discredit her argument by saying it's not relevant or ignore her, but don't make people think you don't respect people's opinions just because of age.

i know you don't think that way, and tits is a newb...

I respect everyone's opinion...but I also don't need a teenagers smart mouthing me. I can agree with someone at any age, and disagree at any age. We've all been there before when we're 16 and think we know everything there is to know in the universe and no one can tell us any different.

And I'm not typing out what else i have to say right now b/c I'm lazy and I'm going to bed soon. And I have a long time before they're home from school to argue lol
 

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if you are referring to what I said, I wasn't talking to you....so you should stay out of it :) Okay, since we own guns, I majored in guns and minored in bullets. I'm sick and tired of kids trying to act like adults and act like they know more. Everyone has a lot of growing up to do IMO.

What do you mean you 'majored in guns' does that mean you know a lot about guns or a lot about gun laws/ school shootings, cuz I believe that's what were talking about here.

And no, I won't 'keep out of it' because I don't like newb's being pushed around, especially because of their age.
 

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No way! Fuck bro, I thought it was a documentary. Basically it's a level where a group of terrorists storm an airport with Kalishnikovs. She was saying why the hell would law enforcement need to be armed in an airport, and I responded with that. If she had played the level, she would know that I was referring to a possible terrorist attack which could quite possibly be prevented or deterred by having armed policemen on duty.

Quite ironic, people against gun control almost universally make the comment that, "If a criminal is determined enough, they'll commit the crime anyway [with or without a gun]". So, applying that logic to this situation, if a group ever planned an attack on an airport, the attack wouldn't exactly be dependent on the airport having armed security or not.

In any case, Just about every major airport has at least some armed security/police officers on duty. Over here for example, every international airport has a small detachment of AFP (Australian Federal Police) officers stationed there.

Still, using a hypothetical situation from a game isn't a good way to prove your point. Frequently, those kind of games, appealing to a mainstream audience, flaunt realism and substance for entertainment.

I wasn't comparing them occupationally. That's the whole point. I was comparing them as human beings. Fallible human being.

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What kind of point are you trying to prove then? - "Teachers are humans, Police Officers are humans, they're both fallible. Therefore, they should both have guns!"

I tend to look at the occupational environment. Police officers, in their line of work, are almost entirely in a sphere of dealing with criminality, unruly behavior and dangerous individuals. Therefore, to protect themselves and others, and to do their jobs effectively, they need the necessary tools of coercion, such as firearms or tasers.

Teachers on the other hand, work in a completely different occupational environment, one that does not facilitate, in my view, the carrying of firearms.
 

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No way! Fuck bro, I thought it was a documentary. Basically it's a level where a group of terrorists storm an airport with Kalishnikovs. She was saying why the hell would law enforcement need to be armed in an airport, and I responded with that. If she had played the level, she would know that I was referring to a possible terrorist attack which could quite possibly be prevented or deterred by having armed policemen on duty.




I wasn't comparing them occupationally. That's the whole point. I was comparing them as human beings. Fallible human being.

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Her post Reeked of sarcasm bro!! LOL
 

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I don't think it's dumb. Teachers won't be trained as well as police, as to what they should do in a situation like this. And if they had to be, I can almost guarantee no teachers would get guns.
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Good, then we have an area of agreement. I think it would be awesome for a couple of teachers to volunteer to go through the police training about when & how to shoot (especially when). I think you're right that the training itself will weed out those who would probably be more effective unarmed, since training also makes a teacher liable. The one or two that remain would be far more effective in aiding police in the extremely rare instance that someone came into the school shooting otherwise defenseless students.

I teach in an inner-city school in the 7th largest city in the US. I've never felt in danger or felt the need to arm myself. The one firearm incident we have had involved one of my special ed students who brought a very realistic looking toy gun to school. He was not shot right away because he did not shoot right away. The police did as they were trained and no one was hurt. They treated him exactly as they would have treated a general ed student. I asked.

Part of the training the police have is how to de-escalate a child in crisis. I've had this training since I deal a lot with emotionally disturbed students. I'd recommend it to any teacher or anyone who deals with adolescents. This is the training that kept my student from getting shot, not firearms training. But that training is useless when a teenager is walking from room to room killing people.

Not all teachers have only been teachers. We have a fair number of prior military in our teacher ranks, including combat personnel. I would feel quite comfortable and safe if any of them decided to carry a firearm.
 

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No. Are you going to storm an airport with 5 armed men when you know there are 20 inside, ready to take you out?

I suppose you're an expert in crime prevention then. I'm quite sure a 'terrorist' group wouldn't exactly care if the target they were attacking had armed security. It hasn't exactly deterred such terrorist attacks in the past, has it?

Apparently not in London. Goddamnit, man. Read the thread before you respond.

I'm just giving you an example, again, it's not a DIRECT response to the earlier comment about London 'apparently' not having any armed security. I just made the point that most international airports either do, or most likely have some form of armed security

That's not what we are talking about. Again, not occupationally. Drop it. Why would you even post this? I just said it has nothing to do with their occupation, and you go off on a rant about how their jobs are different.


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In regard to that comment, it had absolutely nothing to do with anything you had previously posted. I was just merely expressing my opinion if teachers should be allowed to carry firearms or not, my point being, is that Police Officers should, due to their duties and role in the community, and that teachers shouldn't, due to more obvious reasons.

I thought that was a vaild point to bring up because there seems to be a lot of comparasion here between teachers and Police officers.
 

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Quite ironic, people against gun control almost universally make the comment that, "If a criminal is determined enough, they'll commit the crime anyway [with or without a gun]". So, applying that logic to this situation, if a group ever planned an attack on an airport, the attack wouldn't exactly be dependent on the airport having armed security or not.

In any case, Just about every major airport has at least some armed security/police officers on duty. Over here for example, every international airport has a small detachment of AFP (Australian Federal Police) officers stationed there.

Still, using a hypothetical situation from a game isn't a good way to prove your point. Frequently, those kind of games, appealing to a mainstream audience, flaunt realism and substance for entertainment.



What kind of point are you trying to prove then? - "Teachers are humans, Police Officers are humans, they're both fallible. Therefore, they should both have guns!"

I tend to look at the occupational environment. Police officers, in their line of work, are almost entirely in a sphere of dealing with criminality, unruly behavior and dangerous individuals. Therefore, to protect themselves and others, and to do their jobs effectively, they need the necessary tools of coercion, such as firearms or tasers.

Teachers on the other hand, work in a completely different occupational environment, one that does not facilitate, in my view, the carrying of firearms.


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Thank you. Some one understood my points! :D

Her post Reeked of sarcasm bro!! LOL

Again! Thank you! Some one got it!
 

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What do you mean you 'majored in guns' does that mean you know a lot about guns or a lot about gun laws/ school shootings, cuz I believe that's what were talking about here.

And no, I won't 'keep out of it' because I don't like newb's being pushed around, especially because of their age.

And I'm not going to explain what I mean when I say I majored in guns, I guess you just don't get it and can't follow your own posts. oh well. I'm not pushing him around b/c of his age. Again, it's you teenagers on certain topics that don't get it. But don't worry, you'll learn when you're older.

... that's what the goddamn thread is about.

I moved on from our little immature tiff, I guess you aren't mature enough to.

Boy, that +10 years really shows.

Being older does not make you any superior.
I can still be smarter than you at my age, as well as more knowledgeable on certain subjects.

don't worry, you'll learn too :):nod:
 

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I respect everyone's opinion...but I also don't need a teenagers smart mouthing me. I can agree with someone at any age, and disagree at any age. We've all been there before when we're 16 and think we know everything there is to know in the universe and no one can tell us any different.

Unfortunatley its not exclusive to teenagers.
I'd say you just had that moment too.


Read: "I majored in guns." and "you'll all learn"

lols
 

GuesSAngel

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Unfortunatley its not exclusive to teenagers.
I'd say you just had that moment too.


Read: "I majored in guns." and "you'll all learn"

lols


ummm it was a sarcasm alert...she thinks that people should say that they at least major in something instead of going to age first... and i believe that they will learn as they get older, the whole saying 'momma told ya so' lol
 
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