Should people on welfare have to take mandatory drug tests?

[satinbutterfly]

Making sacrifices, and not expecting a handout...? You're going to get laughed out of here.

Apparently. :dunno

 

[Guyzerr]

Making sacrifices, and not expecting a handout...? You're going to get laughed out of here.

With all due respect this is a handout. It's assistance from family but still a handout none the less.

We moved in with my grandparents

 

[darkangel]

With all due respect this is a handout. It's assistance from family but still a handout none the less.

It's not a handout if you pay rent. js

 

[Azazel]

 

[Maulds]

Yeah you might call it that, where I come from families dont call it a handout when they help their own.

 

[Guyzerr]

It's not a handout if you pay rent. js

I thought of that when I typed my response but removed it because I knew someone would come back with that comment.

To that I would have to say..........
Well if someone would tell me their parents charged for room and board under those circumstances you can bet you last buck I wouldn't believe it for one minute and would consider it pure bullshit.

 

[Guyzerr]

Yeah you might call it that, where I come from families dont call it a handout when they help their own.

I don't consider it a handout either but when someone makes those statements they are taking the stand that " they did it all on their own " so why can't a welfare recipient do the same. Regardless of what we think when you break it down it's still a form of assistance. It might not be from big brother but it's a handout non the less so they didn't do it on their own. They had help.

 

[darkangel]

I thought of that when I typed my response but removed it because I knew someone would come back with that comment.

To that I would have to say..........
Well if someone would tell me their parents charged for room and board under those circumstances you can bet you last buck I wouldn't believe it for one minute and would consider it pure bullshit.

My parents charged me $200 a month rent when my daughters father left us and we had nowhere to go. But that's how MY parents are.

 

[Guyzerr]

My parents charged me $200 a month rent when my daughters father left us and we had nowhere to go. But that's how MY parents are.

Wow.... you should have shot your parents.

 

[Francis]

My parents charged me $200 a month rent when my daughters father left us and we had nowhere to go. But that's how MY parents are.

Wow.... you should have shot your parents.

My Mom charged me $300.00 a month room and board from the day I started working till i loved out, no breaks and back rent was due if I was late or off work.. No if and or butts about it..

I got a break at Christmas time and that was it..

Were talking 1979..

 

[Peter Parka]

Peter I'm not talking specifically about people that are unable to work. I'm talking about people that are unwilling to work. There's a big difference there. That said... I'm not against disabled, sick or healthy people having fun but I am against my tax $$ funding drug or alcohol related fun regardless of ones condition.

Like I said before, welfare is supposed to be a security blanket to cover the necessities of life for those truly in need on a short term basis and I see nothing wrong with that. Do not confuse it with disability income or disability insurance. The two issues are quite different.

See this is where it's getting confusing, this thread was about all people on welfare but when proved embarrassingly wrong and heartless, people are backing down and changing their mind to only include lazy bums which they thing the majority of people on welfare are without any good reason.

Well considering this was done to my mother with 3 children I can speak from experience and say she didn't go on welfare when that was done to her. She was making minimum wage. She did what she had to do. We moved in with my grandparents and we sold every single item we owned. That included every single toy, every single piece of furniture, pretty much anything that couldn't be packed in a single suitcase was sold. When we needed clothes for school we went to Goodwill. We at a lot of Hamburger Helper. We didn't play sports. We went without any luxury whatsoever. But we managed without depending on tax payer support.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

And you think that is great and perfectly fair do you?
By the way, why have you still failed to show me your evidence that the majority of people on welfare are lazy and dont want to work?

 

[darkangel]

Wow.... you should have shot your parents.

My parents are very wealthy and very strict and set in their ways. They believe that you should pay your way. And if they lived in a state where there wasn't the death penalty I might have!

 

[Guyzerr]

My Mom charged me $300.00 a month room and board from the day I started working till i loved out, no breaks and back rent was due if I was late or off work.. No if and or butts about it..

I got a break at Christmas time and that was it..

Were talking 1979..

I paid room and board starting from the age of 13 and I don't have a problem with it. It's also a different scenario from what satin was talking about.

 

[Guyzerr]

See this is where it's getting confusing, this thread was about all people on welfare but when proved embarrassingly wrong and heartless, people are backing down and changing their mind to only include lazy bums which they thing the majority of people on welfare are without any good reason.

If you are accusing me of backing down rest assured I am not. One of the problems with this thread Peter is that there seems to be two different systems.... one on your side of the pond and one on ours. To that end I can't speak for yours but I have known and still know quite a few people here on welfare or have been on welfare at some point in time. The vast majority have abused the system or are continuing to abuse it. If an able bodied person chooses to make it a life choice and not look for employment I have a problem with it and I will not change my mind. Over here it's supposed to be a helping hand out of the gutter, not a shove to keep you in it.

When it comes to a disabled person, be they physically or mentally disabled there is a completely different program designed strictly for the disabled and should not be confused with welfare.

Does that clear things up?

 

[Peter Parka]

If you are accusing me of backing down rest assured I am not. One of the problems with this thread Peter is that there seems to be two different systems.... one on your side of the pond and one on ours. To that end I can't speak for yours but I have known and still know quite a few people here on welfare or have been on welfare at some point in time. The vast majority have abused the system or are continuing to abuse it. If an able bodied person chooses to make it a life choice and not look for employment I have a problem with it and I will not change my mind. Over here it's supposed to be a helping hand out of the gutter, not a shove to keep you in it.

When it comes to a disabled person, be they physically or mentally disabled there is a completely different program designed strictly for the disabled and should not be confused with welfare.

Does that clear things up?

I agree that probably there are a few differences with our welfare system but the mixed messages I'm getting in this thread from a couple of people (not yourself) are making this confusing, I've already dealt with one person who thinks welfare should be completely got rid of but then changes her mind but tries to save face by saying that people who get benifits who deserve it actually arn't on welfare.

Quite a few people that you know who are like this really is no indicator that the majority in your country abused the system. How many is quite a few, exactly? 2? 5? 10? 100 even? And most if not all are local to you, I take it? That really isn't an accurate survey. Get back to me when you have a survey of at least a few thousand from all over the country taken by an unbiased source and you may have a valid point worth addressing.

 

[Haus]

I saw a customer at my old work, take out 130.00 from the EBT card(welfare card) and buy a ounce of weed. Right inside the store

 

[AnitaBeer]

I can't believe there are so many cold hearted people with views towards welfare! YOU are not paying for everyone to be on welfare. You'd be paying taxes either way. I had to live off of welfare this last year and it's been the most heart breaking thing every time I hear someone talk total complete shit about the system. And of course many will until the day they actually need to use it. Many of us earned the right to use this fall back. I've been working since I was 14 years old and can guarantee I've paid more than what I used in benefits. And it doesn't bother me to know that some are smart enough to lean on the system in their down time to help keep them off the streets.

I can guarantee you that being on welfare is NOT something MOST of us want to do. You don't get nearly enough to live off of, which is good because it pushes MOST people out there to find a job to be able to become financially safe instead of having to live off of the system.

BTW in my state we actually have to work for our benefits. I had to go to work "community service" every day to earn what I was getting from my state for assistance. I'm sure there are some places people don't have to work for it right now, but atleast here and many others people do. So talking shit saying people are lazy and just live off the system so they don't have to work is complete and utter BS.

I can't imagine anyone having to live off the system and being happy about it, but yes I know there are some out there. Yes I know there are some low lifes out there, but it doesn't mean everyone on the system isn't working their ass off to actually get off the system.

BTW I totally agree to drug testing to be able to get on welfare. I believe it would help the system out a lot with saving money and putting it towards other things that are important. But I could not imagine going through a shit year like I did and not have the help from the state.

I promised myself I would always keep a roof over my kids heads and if that meant having to use assistance than by all means I did it. I do not look down on people or the system. The system here is pretty strict and I'm hoping all other areas are working that way. I'm sure many people have made this same promise as I did only to be broke down into pieces because of our economy and so many people losing their homes and having to live off of the streets.

I really wish everyone knew how sick it makes someone feel when having to actually use assistance. Like I said most of us don't want to be on it, but its really hard to do anything lately. Believe me it took me a year to find a job! And that's not with sitting around at all. I had been putting in apps like they were going out of style.

Yes we hear about the bad, the lazy, the druggies, the ones that abuse the system, but that number is so much lower than the ones who actually are trying to get off all assistance.

Edit: And not everyone has the option to move in with family so they can stay off assistance. Some would rather try to keep their childs life as close to what they are used to as possible. Minus of course, buying all the extra frills.

 

[Guyzerr]

Quite a few people that you know who are like this really is no indicator that the majority in your country abused the system. How many is quite a few, exactly? 2? 5? 10? 100 even? And most if not all are local to you, I take it?

Local... local alright.. Over the last 57 years I've lived in 4 provinces side by each with a spread of about 1600 miles so I guess that's local.

That really isn't an accurate survey. Get back to me when you have a survey of at least a few thousand from all over the country taken by an unbiased source and you may have a valid point worth addressing.

It's a very accurate way of me judging thing Peter unless of course I am the cause of the people I know going on welfare. Maybe I have some sort of silent unknown virus that causes hard working people to unknowingly turn into lazy assed welfare recipients. ya... that's it... it's my fault.

The day someone was able to do an accurate survey and get honest answers from welfare recipients will be the day you and I convert to Christianity and you know it.

Peter you need to come to grips about the difference between welfare and disability. Until then it's pointless to continue this conversation.

 

[Guyzerr]

Yes we hear about the bad, the lazy, the druggies, the ones that abuse the system, but that number is so much lower than the ones who actually are trying to get off all assistance.

In the end isn't that what this tread was supposed to be about. It's gotten off track a long time ago.

 

[Peter Parka]

Get back to me when you have a survey of at least a few thousand from all over the country taken by an unbiased source and you may have a valid point worth addressing.

Local... local alright.. Over the last 57 years I've lived in 4 provinces side by each with a spread of about 1600 miles so I guess that's local.



It's a very accurate way of me judging thing Peter unless of course I am the cause of the people I know going on welfare. Maybe I have some sort of silent unknown virus that causes hard working people to unknowingly turn into lazy assed welfare recipients. ya... that's it... it's my fault.

The day someone was able to do an accurate survey and get honest answers from welfare recipients will be the day you and I convert to Christianity and you know it.

Peter you need to come to grips about the difference between welfare and disability. Until then it's pointless to continue this conversation.

So that's a no, I'm talking out of my arse and cant answer your reply then, I take it?