Selective Abortions?

[gLing]

Nope.

Yes you do. Try to be honest with your beliefs now. lol

 

[All Else Failed]

Yes you do. Try to be honest with your beliefs now. lol

Nope.

 

[Peter Parka]

No you believe in rights only for those you think should have them.

Nope.

because it doesn't have rights until it's out of the mother.

Sorry, AEF, you've lost me!:confused

 

[All Else Failed]

It isn't a person until it is born.

 

[Peter Parka]

It isn't a person until it is born.

Facts say you are wrong.

 

[gLing]

It isn't a person until it is born.

So scientific fact says the cervix has magic properties that breathes life into a child as it passes through on the way to being born?

 

[All Else Failed]

We're not talking about life, we're talking about when people gain rights as independent beings

 

[Peter Parka]

We're not talking about life, we're talking about when people gain rights as independent beings

So why do you believe that a helpless unborn child should have less human rights than a murderer capable of freewill?

 

[gLing]

We're not talking about life, we're talking about when people gain rights as independent beings

So you are saying the cervix gives rights?

 

[All Else Failed]

So why do you believe that a helpless unborn child should have less human rights than a murderer capable of freewill?

Fetuses don't have rights. They aren't people yet.

So you are saying the cervix gives rights?

The woman has rights.

 

[Peter Parka]

Fetuses don't have rights. They aren't people yet.

So why do you believe that fetuses shouldn't have rights yet murderers should? That dosen't really answer the question.

 

[Sneakiecat]

so if you found out that your child had downsymdrome would you abort it?

Absolutely.

I take it you've never been around people with Down Syndrome. A blood test will tell you a baby has it but it won't tell you the potenial the child has. You could be killing a person who could live a fairly normal life with challenges, both health-wise and cognitively.

 

[gLing]

Fetuses don't have rights. They aren't people yet.


The woman has rights.

Your career beyond fast food services will not go far.
You believe in baby murder..

 

[TheOriginalJames]

As I always state, it's up to the mother in every single situation whether to abort, give up for adoption or keep her child. Doesn't matter what circumstance/illness is facing the child for life.

 

[dt3]

because it doesn't have rights until it's out of the mother.

Fetuses don't have rights. They aren't people yet.

We're not talking about life, we're talking about when people gain rights as independent beings

I'm going to quote something here. A rather important document, as I'm sure you'll agree.

...all men are created equal...

It says created. Not born. Created. And a life is created when a sperm fertilizes an egg.

 

[Sneakiecat]

Fetuses don't have rights. They aren't people yet.

What makes a person?

 

[bong_express]

I take it you've never been around people with Down Syndrome. A blood test will tell you a baby has it but it won't tell you the potenial the child has. You could be killing a person who could live a fairly normal life with challenges, both health-wise and cognitively.

thank you sneakiecat. you have evidently had experience with downs.

 

[SRC]

I really don't see the difference. Why does being in the womb make a baby less of a human being?

It's not less of a human being, but if you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the child is going to have a serious mental disability .. and you know for a fact that you A. don't have the financial means, or B. don't have them mental/physical means to properly care for the child .. why would you bring a child into a world where it's future and care is uncertain?

Sure you can give it up for adoption .. but those children usually end up in group homes and many are mistreated and uncared for .. not all .. but a lot.

Once you have the child you just have to deal with it, but if you could have spared it the grief of going through life not being able to care for itself, live on it's own, or from being a burden (this affects people with disabilities more than you will ever know) .. why wouldn't you?

I think it is rather cruel to force anyone to live just because YOU think it should. Thats as bad as keeping people ina vegetative state on life support for 20+ years because YOU don't want them to die. It's just selfish and ridiculous.

 

[gLing]

It's not less of a human being, but if you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the child is going to have a serious mental disability .. and you know for a fact that you A. don't have the financial means, or B. don't have them mental/physical means to properly care for the child .. why would you bring a child into a world where it's future and care is uncertain?

Sure you can give it up for adoption .. but those children usually end up in group homes and many are mistreated and uncared for .. not all .. but a lot.

Once you have the child you just have to deal with it, but if you could have spared it the grief of going through life not being able to care for itself, live on it's own, or from being a burden (this affects people with disabilities more than you will ever know) .. why wouldn't you?

I think it is rather cruel to force anyone to live just because YOU think it should. Thats as bad as keeping people ina vegetative state on life support for 20+ years because YOU don't want them to die. It's just selfish and ridiculous.

Are you nuts? People with disabilities live full lives. How dare you say they should be discarded.

 

[SRC]

Are you nuts? People with disabilities live full lives. How dare you say they should be discarded.

some yes .. but not the type that mst suggest aborting for. The type where the children are born without fully formed cranial bones, severe chromosone deficiencies and such .. they do not lead full lives .. most don't even know what's going on around them.

How great can someone's life be, as an adult .. who can't walk, can't talk, and can't even go without a diaper .. because they can't control their bowels?

That doens't sound very full to me.