Republican Judgement

[The Man]

Not even close to being true. There are union shops and non-union shops in the area. If you don't want to join the union, then you work at one of the non-union shops. The union doesn't have a monopoly in the workforce here

Then it does restrict where you can work..you use union guys only correct .
The next place may be non union...thus just cutting eligible places to work in half.

 

[Tim]

They did not strike in the 7 years we were using union workers and I don't know if they striked before that. I didn't say there was a strike or not, I don't know because we weren't a union shop before that time.

And i don't have an hourly rate for each of the guys... to me it doesn't matter. What matters is what I need to charge for every man hour to cover all costs.

 

[Accountable]

In Detroit the unions have had an impact on people having shows at the Cobo Hall

If you want to have a small show there you can forget it. Set up costs are absurd as nobody moves anything unless there is a union worker doing it.

They used to have a Home and Garden Show there and due to the costs they left. If you had a booth and had some small crap to bring to it you could not do it yourself.

Unions do have an impact on much more than we think

I could see that. Everything in Vegas has to have flash polish. The only Home & Garden show you'll find here is a national convention of fertilizer manufacturers or something.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Clear enough for you?

You know it's not. Rhetorical question? :24: TM's about as dumb as they come. He'll argue with a concrete wall.

 

[Minor Axis]

Never have been, but you know that. Just acting as if you're stupid. If you started actually trying to understand rather than pigeonhole, the mods would probably just assume you'd had your identity stolen and ban you.

And when I said you were against unions you got offended...

so we can eliminate OSHA if the unions take care of this?

This is your knee jerk response? Employees on the job site are an important aspect of workplace safety, a role OSHA can't fill at least not in the same timely, hands on approach, especially in aviation, where I used to work. With a union, it's not individuals whining about something, it is an organized group of people keeping the company honest. BTW, my company welcomes, expects ALPAs safety efforts. If you don't know, accidents effect the bottom line.

We already have safety guide lines dude...it is up to the employer to have the workplace within those guidelines.
A third party has no business telling a company what is safe and what isnt.
Nor the wages
Nor the hours.
That is the job of the govt and why we pay them.
Its really that simple.

You are full of conservative talking points and as expected you have no criticisms to direct at corporations/management, just uppity employees who don't know their place and (gasp) dare to challenge management. Case closed.

What do you do for a living? This could shed something on the conversation. I am a retired airline pilot.

 

[Accountable]

And when I said you were against unions you got offended...

Wow. You even lie about your own posts.
http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?65350-Republican-Judgement&p=2272252&viewfull=1#post2272252

 

[The Man]

You are full of conservative talking points and as expected you have no criticisms to direct at corporations/management, just uppity employees who don't know their place and (gasp) dare to challenge management. Case closed.

What do you do for a living? This could shed something on the conversation. I am a retired airline pilot.

You havent rebutted a single thing I said
"You are a conservative so your points are invalid"...thats all you have said.
TIM on the other hand has shown some benefits of a union in his profession ..it gives him access to organized skilled labor without having to go through the long process of interviewing everyone again...phone calls etc....and the union workers are not trying to manipulate an employer
You MA have shown me nothing

 

[Johnfromokc]

 

[Minor Axis]

Wow. You even lie about your own posts.
http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?65350-Republican-Judgement&p=2272252&viewfull=1#post2272252

I'm not lieing, at least not intentionally. My apologies. My original statement (based on your statements in this forum) was that you would rather live without the benefits of a union, implying you are against the union concept, and you got offended yes?

You havent rebutted a single thing I said
"You are a conservative so your points are invalid"...thats all you have said.
TIM on the other hand has shown some benefits of a union in his profession ..it gives him access to organized skilled labor without having to go through the long process of interviewing everyone again...phone calls etc....and the union workers are not trying to manipulate an employer
You MA have shown me nothing

You have presented no facts, just your conservative spin. Based on what I have experienced for the last 30 years, in the union I participated in, I have told you what the benefits of having a union are. No, I have not pulled up any links for you. This is my experience talking. And with someone like you, who has all ready made their minds up, set in concrete, I don't feel the need to expend any great amount of energy trying to change your mind. That is why I applaud Tim who is willing to beat his head against concrete.

 

[Minor Axis]

Eric Bolling: Schools pushing the Liberal Agenda by Teaching Algebra.

"But even worse is the way some textbooks are pushing the liberal agenda," the Fox News host explained, pointing to an algebra worksheet that Scholastic says gives students "nsight into the distributive property as it applies to multiplication."
"Distribute the wealth!" Bolling exclaimed, reading the worksheet. "Distribute the wealth with the lovely rich girl with a big ole bag of money, handing some money out."

All I can say is "wow". There are some sad people who hang out in the conservative spectrum.

 

[Accountable]

I'm not lieing, at least not intentionally. My apologies. My original statement (based on your statements in this forum) was that you would rather live without the benefits of a union, implying you are against the union concept, and you got offended yes?

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?66674-The-Capitalist-System&p=1701073&viewfull=1#post1701073

 

[Alien Allen]

great response Acc

not that I expect it to sink in with Minor

he sees what he wants to using blinders and filters

maybe he will prove me wrong

but I doubt it based on his past

 

[Minor Axis]

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?66674-The-Capitalist-System&p=1701073&viewfull=1#post1701073

Are you bored? ...pulling up a response to something I said a month ago and your quoting a response from 2010? Why? Why? :smiley24:

Sigh...
Most of your views on unions in this forum are negative ones. When you say "put away" the union, does this mean disband? If so, that is unrealistic. When do you actually think the war has been won? And when a war breaks out, you actually think a union can be created in a matter of weeks? And no, there is no need to fight at all until the company wants to change things adversely, and without an organized group of employees to examine the changes the employee group is in trouble. This is based on my profession. With responsible and grounded union leadership, an employee group is much better equipped to understand what management is giving themselves vs what they want to take away from their labor force. Without a union, individual employees have no viable way to resist without risking their individual employment.

great response Acc

not that I expect it to sink in with Minor

he sees what he wants to using blinders and filters

maybe he will prove me wrong

but I doubt it based on his past

Right. :sarcasm

 

[Alien Allen]

With responsible and grounded union leadership,

show me one.. I have only the reference of what the UAW is like. How did their tactics work for them?

Or I could add the Teamsters which was rife with corruption.

Without a union, individual employees have no viable way to resist without risking their individual employment.

I guess you must have missed where there is OSHA? Or if we have all unions can we shit can that?

And can we make businesses held harmless from lawsuits as long as they are union?

 

[Accountable]

Are you bored? ...pulling up a response to something I said a month ago and your quoting a response from 2010? Why? Why? :smiley24:

Because you said virtually the same thing in 2010. You still don't read/listen.

Sigh...
Most of your views on unions in this forum are negative ones. When you say "put away" the union, does this mean disband? If so, that is unrealistic. When do you actually think the war has been won? And when a war breaks out, you actually think a union can be created in a matter of weeks?

Yes, of course. Why not? The formal union came after the war, not before.

 

[Minor Axis]

Because you said virtually the same thing in 2010. You still don't read/listen.

Yes, of course. Why not? The formal union came after the war, not before.

I disagree. I do listen. You just don't like what I hear. I suggest you educate yourself in this matter. Once the war has started it's too late (in a timely fashion) to create a union. The process is not fast. It's a long drawn out process. And there is the matter of representation in "at will" States. It's absent without a contract.

 

[Minor Axis]

For some perspective on who uses Federal dollars compared to red vs blue:

 

[Alien Allen]

What is your source Minor for that?

Because MI has been a solid red state for 2 years

Kind of makes the rest look suspect IMO

 

[Alien Allen]

Holy Fuck Minor

I just noted that is 11 year old data

Now that is fucking hilarious

 

[The Man]

I suspect he will be referencing the civil war next.