Republican Judgement

[Tim]

:wtf::wtf: My post was in response/support of Minor's post. Neither had anything to do with unions.

Doesn't matter soldier, you have been caught in the crossfire. Keep your head down and follow me to the nearest bunker

 

[Alien Allen]

Me thinks TM was responding to Johnnys cartoon

I could be wrong

 

[Minor Axis]

What a tremendously visual message.

So John.
ACC has a union
He doesnt like unions...sounds like a hypocrite right?
See John...there is nothing "hypocrite" about it...,,AS HE DOESNT WANT THE UNION
A guy can have a union job and not like unions.....its pretty simple john.
ACC sees the damage they cause.
You dont....its really that simple.

ACC would rather make 25-35% less and have every employee fending for themselves as if that is purer, more noble.
And since you, not ACC mentioned union "damage" in this post, tell us about it.

 

[Accountable]

ACC would rather make 25-35% less and have every employee fending for themselves

Mischaracterizing me again, Minor? And you do it on purpose, too. What's the point?

 

[Minor Axis]

Mischaracterizing me again, Minor? And you do it on purpose, too. What's the point?

How so? Unions raise workers wages and give a united voice to employees. If you are for these things, then I have mischaracterized you and I apologize. If not, then you need to make up your mind how you really feel about unions. Of course I'm not implying unions are perfect organizations and have no room to improve. They are made up of flawed people just like every human organization.

 

[Accountable]

How so? Unions raise workers wages and give a united voice to employees. If you are for these things, then I have mischaracterized you and I apologize. If not, then you need to make up your mind how you really feel about unions. Of course I'm not implying unions are perfect organizations and have no room to improve. They are made up of flawed people just like every human organization.

I've given my opinion on unions, unionizing, and the difference between them again and again. You know I have, and you still choose to twist, spin, and mischaracterize. I can only conclude that you're being belligerent and only want to stir shit with me. Sorry, not interested at this time.

 

[The Man]

How so? Unions raise workers wages and give a united voice to employees. If you are for these things, then I have mischaracterized you and I apologize. If not, then you need to make up your mind how you really feel about unions. Of course I'm not implying unions are perfect organizations and have no room to improve. They are made up of flawed people just like every human organization.

You do understand that when wages goes up..the prices of good and services goes up?...you haven't made the gain you think you have.
Prices are determined by labor....you are not going to change this.
A unions goal is to squeeze every available dollar from the employee.
Unions cause unemployment...with increased labor cost they have to make due with less employees in some cases.
Unions cause consumer fear...as they are hesitant to buy a product when said people are on strike.
Unions damage company customer relations...when people go on strike,,products are not being made nothing pisses you off that not getting that million dollar machine you need and now an entire project is held up...cascading to more people not being able to work.
Unions are a further cause of unemployment...as less people are now qualified for a job...as requirement is to be union.
Unions can cause hiring of less qualified employees as the pool of qualified has been shrunk as a requirement in union.
Unions restrict job duties complicating a stream line process....adding to cost.
Unions defy supply and demand principal in regard to cost and demand.

A wage should not be determined by what one thinks he should get {Union}
But by supply and demand.

An extreme example can be as simple as say a grocery store that is union....all they have to do is demand 40 bucks an hour and strike...you either pay it...or pay someone to go beat some ass{union leaders}

An outside force {union} should never be able to run the finances of a company...which is exactly what they are doing with wages.

Unions further slow growth as they eat into company profits thus slowing growth...with slowed growth they aren't opening up new locations and hiring more people.

Unions reduce the volume of goods and services as they cause prices to be higher..thus people buy else where.

Unions cause an unfair advantage to non union...so thus we should need union for all jobs to be fair.
Minimum wage would be off the hook...prices for everything would be off the hook.
You would have less purchase power with your dollar and be very poor as a result.

 

[Minor Axis]

I've given my opinion on unions, unionizing, and the difference between them again and again. You know I have, and you still choose to twist, spin, and mischaracterize. I can only conclude that you're being belligerent and only want to stir shit with me. Sorry, not interested at this time.

Whatever... :smiley24:

 

[Minor Axis]

I've given my opinion on unions, unionizing, and the difference between them again and again. You know I have, and you still choose to twist, spin, and mischaracterize. I can only conclude that you're being belligerent and only want to stir shit with me. Sorry, not interested at this time.

So you are now for unions I suppose.

You do understand that when wages goes up..the prices of good and services goes up?...you haven't made the gain you think you have.
Prices are determined by labor....you are not going to change this.
A unions goal is to squeeze every available dollar from the employee.
Unions cause unemployment...with increased labor cost they have to make due with less employees in some cases.
Unions cause consumer fear...as they are hesitant to buy a product when said people are on strike.
Unions damage company customer relations...when people go on strike,,products are not being made nothing pisses you off that not getting that million dollar machine you need and now an entire project is held up...cascading to more people not being able to work.
Unions are a further cause of unemployment...as less people are now qualified for a job...as requirement is to be union.
Unions can cause hiring of less qualified employees as the pool of qualified has been shrunk as a requirement in union.
Unions restrict job duties complicating a stream line process....adding to cost.
Unions defy supply and demand principal in regard to cost and demand.

A wage should not be determined by what one thinks he should get {Union}
But by supply and demand.

An extreme example can be as simple as say a grocery store that is union....all they have to do is demand 40 bucks an hour and strike...you either pay it...or pay someone to go beat some ass{union leaders}

An outside force {union} should never be able to run the finances of a company...which is exactly what they are doing with wages.

Unions further slow growth as they eat into company profits thus slowing growth...with slowed growth they aren't opening up new locations and hiring more people.

Unions reduce the volume of goods and services as they cause prices to be higher..thus people buy else where.

Unions cause an unfair advantage to non union...so thus we should need union for all jobs to be fair.
Minimum wage would be off the hook...prices for everything would be off the hook.
You would have less purchase power with your dollar and be very poor as a result.

So unions cause prices to go up, but CEO's and upper management's gi-normous pay packages and golden parachutes do not... Thanks for throwing out the standard one sided, half truth, in some cases completely fabricated conservative view. There is no doubt where you are coming from. It's not neutral or balanced.

And before anyone decides to throw out some zinger about my views, I am pro-union but have acknowledged all along they are flawed, like all human powered business endeavors, but they are no more evil than any organization looking to better their members. This especially includes the corporate management food chain who does exactly that and usually wins the competition.

 

[The Man]

So you are now for unions I suppose.



So unions cause prices to go up, but CEO's and upper management's gi-normous pay packages and golden parachutes do not... Thanks for throwing out the standard one sided, half truth, in some cases completely fabricated conservative view. There is no doubt where you are coming from. It's not neutral or balanced.

And before anyone decides to throw out some zinger about my views, I am pro-union but have acknowledged all along they are flawed, like all human powered business endeavors, but they are no more evil than any organization looking to better their members. This especially includes the corporate management food chain who does exactly that and usually wins the competition.

Nothing one side about it...I gave you a few of the many reasons why unions are bad.
The only guy thing you guys scream about is unions gives fair wage.
And as I said if everyone made "fair wage" that would be the new minimum and everything would skyrocket up.
Remember prices are charged according to what you will pay not by what you make.....thus why stuff is more expensive in many cities.....people make more...so they charge more as people will pay it,,,nothing is gained.

If we all made 200k a year...do you realize how much they would charge for a hamburger at say hardees.
And how expensive the burger would be to make...for one thing the building would cost 5 times more...the electric bill would be 5 times more...the beef five times more...have the meat processed five times more..to have it freighted 5 times more..help that works there 5 times more...etc...whats the point.
Ok so you want to take ceo wages and distribute them..so now we all make more..everything goes up as you have more money...and it still cost the mfg the same amount of money to produce a product.

Prices always follow wages{what you will pay} and always will.

You can not paint a middle class MA...it makes us all poor as that would be the new minimum....the rich cant produce....and the actual poor cant live as everything is priced according to what people will pay.

 

[Minor Axis]

TM, your simplistic view of employee/company relationships is so extreme and one sided, it is a waste of time delving into this with you. It's hard to fill a cup that is already full. Beyond compensation, everything costs money. Many employee issues in the work place have to do with safety and quality of living work rules. You think it's extremely bad that employees have this kind of power to speak as one. I completely disagree with you.

 

[Accountable]

So you are now for unions I suppose.

Never have been, but you know that. Just acting as if you're stupid. If you started actually trying to understand rather than pigeonhole, the mods would probably just assume you'd had your identity stolen and ban you.

 

[Alien Allen]

TM, your simplistic view of employee/company relationships is so extreme and one sided, it is a waste of time delving into this with you. It's hard to fill a cup that is already full. Beyond compensation, everything costs money. Many employee issues in the work place have to do with safety and quality of living work rules. You think it's extremely bad that employees have this kind of power to speak as one. I completely disagree with you.

so we can eliminate OSHA if the unions take care of this?

 

[Tim]

so we can eliminate OSHA if the unions take care of this?

Not when unions only account for 8% of the workforce.

 

[Alien Allen]

Not when unions only account for 8% of the workforce.

so there is no need for unions since there is OSHA

 

[Tim]

so there is no need for unions since there is OSHA

Come on now, we have talked about this before.

The cabinet makers union is absolutely invaluable to the work I do. I have worked at two businesses that had a non-union shop and one that had a unionized shop. The advantages of working here with union labor is 10 times better. We are able to make more money, schedule labor better and we have a pool of professionally trained employees to choose from.

My job would be a nightmare without the union labor in the shop

 

[The Man]

TM, your simplistic view of employee/company relationships is so extreme and one sided, it is a waste of time delving into this with you. It's hard to fill a cup that is already full. Beyond compensation, everything costs money. Many employee issues in the work place have to do with safety and quality of living work rules. You think it's extremely bad that employees have this kind of power to speak as one. I completely disagree with you.

We already have safety guide lines dude...it is up to the employer to have the workplace within those guidelines.
A third party has no business telling a company what is safe and what isnt.
Nor the wages
Nor the hours.
That is the job of the govt and why we pay them.
Its really that simple.

 

[The Man]

Come on now, we have talked about this before.

The cabinet makers union is absolutely invaluable to the work I do. I have worked at two businesses that had a non-union shop and one that had a unionized shop. The advantages of working here with union labor is 10 times better. We are able to make more money, schedule labor better and we have a pool of professionally trained employees to choose from.

My job would be a nightmare without the union labor in the shop

So you make more money and do less work..the product costs more.
Its difficult to get fired.
You can demand more pay rather than just leave.
You can strike and jeopardize the company and tarnish its reputation.
You will get a pension later causing the company to go broke.
No wonder have have shit made in china shipped in


Good post...brings to attention what is really going on.

 

[Tim]

So you make more money and do less work..the product costs more.
Its difficult to get fired.
You can demand more pay rather than just leave.
You can strike and jeopardize the company and tarnish its reputation.
You will get a pension later causing the company to go broke.
No wonder have have shit made in china shipped in


Good post...brings to attention what is really going on.

No you idiot, I am not union.

I am a project manager, ie management. The guys in the shop who build the products are union.

And I have heard you spout off about unions post after post without a single ounce of truth. You are so far off the mark, it's not even worth discussing it with you. I work with unions and union labor every single day, so I should know what I'm talking about. Where as you don't have a fucking clue. You base your opinions off bullshit propaganda, not real world experience.

 

[The Man]

No you idiot, I am not union.

I am a project manager, ie management. The guys in the shop who build the products are union.

And I have heard you spout off about unions post after post without a single ounce of truth. You are so far off the mark, it's not even worth discussing it with you. I work with unions and union labor every single day, so I should know what I'm talking about. Where as you don't have a fucking clue. You base your opinions off bullshit propaganda, not real world experience.

And I have heard you spout off about unions post after post without a single ounce of truth.

Such as?

I work with unions and union labor every single day, so I should know what I'm talking about

So?
You obviously dont.

I am a project manager, ie management.

You are a failure as you let the union in.
That shit never happened on my clock bro.