Republican Judgement

[Minor Axis]

I haven't defended anything the repubs have done. I've merely pointed out that you are as partisan as partisan can be, Partisan. Nothing would make me happier than to see The Party destroy itself. Any damage that would do to my beloved country would be peanuts compared to the damage they have done and continue to do now.

You've described what I said about the GOP are groundless lies... this is a feeble defense.

 

[Accountable]

You've described what I said about the GOP are groundless lies... this is a feeble defense.

That's a feeble example.

Here's one for you that I think we're on the same side: How come neither side are talking about real cuts in the military. It's hardly like it's emaciated.

 

[Minor Axis]

That's a feeble example.

Here's one for you that I think we're on the same side: How come neither side are talking about real cuts in the military. It's hardly like it's emaciated.

We are. The U.S. can no longer afford to be the world's policeman. Our military has the expense of the next 10-20 countries combined. And while there are reasons other than wars as to why we are in our current economic predicament, the launching of an offensive trumped up war against a dictator who posed no real threat to the U.S was orchestrated by a Republican Administration and cheered on by a Republican Congress. Famous Cheney quote: "deficits don't matter", as the Republican Party signed on to the worst kind of spending spree, (one that has been continued by Obama. I'm not happy that he campaigned on shutting down the war, and two years later, it's still going). And now, the GOPpers want to protect the wrong class, while screwing the majority. They have no credibility.

Dems have little credibility. I acknowledge the Democrats lacked the backbone to stand by their principles during the dark days of W, because they were shaking in their boots imagining they were going to be voted out of office. For me the choice is the lesser of evils.

 

[Accountable]

Show me one time, and I'll either apologize or show how you took it out of context.

We are. The U.S. can no longer afford to be the world's policeman. Our military has the expense of the next 10-20 countries combined. And while there are reasons other than wars as to why we are in our current economic predicament, the launching of an offensive trumped up war against a dictator who posed no real threat to the U.S was orchestrated by a Republican Administration and cheered on by a Republican Congress. Famous Cheney quote: "deficits don't matter", as the Republican Party signed on to the worst kind of spending spree, (one that has been continued by Obama. I'm not happy that he campaigned on shutting down the war, and two years later, it's still going). And now, the GOPpers want to protect the wrong class, while screwing the majority. They have no credibility.

Dems have little credibility. I acknowledge the Democrats lacked the backbone to stand by their principles during the dark days of W, because they were shaking in their boots imagining they were going to be voted out of office. For me the choice is the lesser of evils.

yeh, I know. We've had that discussion. You still end up with evil.

You say we are, but I haven't heard anything about major cuts to the military attached to any debt ceiling discussions. Are you talking about reduction by attrition?

 

[Minor Axis]

yeh, I know. We've had that discussion. You still end up with evil.

You say we are, but I haven't heard anything about major cuts to the military attached to any debt ceiling discussions. Are you talking about reduction by attrition?

What's your non-evil choice? Name a candidate who can function and accomplish something good for the majority in a Congress full of Dems and Reps? All the indications are that the GOPpers would treat any outsider who gets elected to President, that does not have aligned goals in the same manner they have treated Obama.

I did not say so. I have no idea if any serious cuts are being proposed for the U.S. military although we need it bad. It's just like the space program, how can it expected to be funded when we are just about bust?

 

[Accountable]

What's your non-evil choice? Name a candidate who can function and accomplish something good for the majority in a Congress full of Dems and Reps? All the indications are that the GOPpers would treat any outsider who gets elected to President, that does not have aligned goals in the same manner they have treated Obama.

I'll vote for Paul if he runs. If he doesn't run, I'll vote for the candidate that ought to be in office, regardless of party affiliation, though I can't imagine a 'D' or 'R' besides Paul getting my vote. If it's down to evil I don't care which evil gets in, and I'll be damned if one will get my vote by default.

I did not say so. I have no idea if any serious cuts are being proposed for the U.S. military although we need it bad. It's just like the space program, how can it expected to be funded when we are just about bust?

you said "We are" http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?p=1961241#post1961241 but it doesn't matter. We agree that it needs to be done. Kadena Air Base was my home for many years and I love the place, but I would applaud anyone that put it up on the chopping block.

 

[Johnfromokc]

So when were you on Kadena, and in what capacity, Accountable? I was stationed at Camp Hansen 85-86.

 

[Accountable]

So when were you on Kadena, and in what capacity, Accountable? I was stationed at Camp Hansen 85-86.

HAHA! We might've passed each other on the street then. I was there Oct 82 - Feb 90. Air Force enlisted. Ground transportation. Started out driving, then dispatching, supervising. I would have been an E-5 while you were on island.

 

[Minor Axis]

you said "We are" http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?p=1961241#post1961241 but it doesn't matter. We agree that it needs to be done. Kadena Air Base was my home for many years and I love the place, but I would applaud anyone that put it up on the chopping block.

My apologies. "We are" on the same page regarding the military.

 

[Alien Allen]

How about we close all the military bases outside of the US and bring all those folks home along with those fighting these idiotic pseudo wars

Then beef up our border patrol to the north and south

Unless Canada has superior ability to ferret out bad people then it is just a matter of time that bad people enter from the north in troubling numbers

Oh and how about we stop this bullshit of sending weapons to Mexico and other countries. I see there is another country we pulled that bullshit on

What a fucked up mess we have

 

[Minor Axis]

What a fucked up mess we have

I agree, no kidd'n... here's an example:

Mother Jones: House Republicans Vote to Gut the Clean Water Act. I could explode, but instead will ask, anyone surprised? The states don't have the funds, resolve to enforce this and need polluters to provide jobs. The GOP working hard to turn us into the 3rd world.

On Thursday, the House passed a bill that effectively eliminates federal oversight on water standards. The bill rolls back the Clean Water Act, returning most oversight to the states, and passed with almost all Republicans and a handful of Democrats supporting it.

The measure has a title that sounds kind of pleasant—the "Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act of 2011"—but when you read it you realize it's really just an effort to return us to the days of the Cuyahoga River fire and Love Canal.

 

[Alien Allen]

Minor have you ever expressed disdain to any degree with the democrats?

Please give me examples

Or do your really get a tingle up the leg when MSNBC is on the air

 

[Alien Allen]

Oh and exactly how much do you know about the clean water act Minor?

You might be surprised that in my meetings with some top level staff in MI that they disdain the fed interference.

And before you respond you should know that MI is one of the most progressives in the country next to WI and MN when it comes to water.

Your turn now Minor

Give me something to rebut on this topic

 

[Johnfromokc]

HAHA! We might've passed each other on the street then. I was there Oct 82 - Feb 90. Air Force enlisted. Ground transportation. Started out driving, then dispatching, supervising. I would have been an E-5 while you were on island.

Interesting. I got there around October 85, then deployed with two Marine Combat Service Support Detachments (CSSD 31 & 32) from December to June and then back to Okinawa. Rotated back to the states October 86.

Small world. Did you retire from the AF?

 

[Accountable]

Interesting. I got there around October 85, then deployed with two Marine Combat Service Support Detachments (CSSD 31 & 32) from December to June and then back to Okinawa. Rotated back to the states October 86.

Small world. Did you retire from the AF?

I did. Just short of 21 years. I was delayed 8 months because of 9/11.

 

[Accountable]

I agree, no kidd'n... here's an example:

Mother Jones: House Republicans Vote to Gut the Clean Water Act. I could explode, but instead will ask, anyone surprised? The states don't have the funds, resolve to enforce this and need polluters to provide jobs. The GOP working hard to turn us into the 3rd world.

The funds would be there if Washington weren't so intent on taxing The People to fund state programs. I'm a bit surprised that the Interstate Commerce Clause stretchers would let this go, but I see that they didn't. "Gut" is the term Mother Jones chose to use, then postulated from there.

 

[Accountable]

Minor have you ever expressed disdain to any degree with the democrats?

Please give me examples

Or do your really get a tingle up the leg when MSNBC is on the air

Give credit where credit is due.

[...] as the Republican Party signed on to the worst kind of spending spree, (one that has been continued by Obama. I'm not happy that he campaigned on shutting down the war, and two years later, it's still going). [...]

Dems have little credibility. I acknowledge the Democrats lacked the backbone to stand by their principles during the dark days of W, because they were shaking in their boots imagining they were going to be voted out of office. For me the choice is the lesser of evils.

 

[Accountable]

I agree, no kidd'n... here's an example:

Mother Jones: House Republicans Vote to Gut the Clean Water Act. I could explode, but instead will ask, anyone surprised? The states don't have the funds, resolve to enforce this and need polluters to provide jobs. The GOP working hard to turn us into the 3rd world.

Two things the article points out:

1. It had bipartisan support, caveat it however you wish - bipartisan
2. It won't pass the Dem senate

This bill is no more than cynical election year posturing for votes. "Hey, I triiiied to take power from Washington and give it back to the states, but I'm outnumbered. Vote for me and I'll keep fighting for YOU!"

 

[Johnfromokc]

I did. Just short of 21 years. I was delayed 8 months because of 9/11.

Not me. I considered it like college - The University of Science Music and Culture. Gave me a great start that led to my current station in life. Actually, I told you incorrectly - I was at Kinser, right outside Naha - some stateside buddies were at Hansen and Schwab, so we ran all over the island on weekends getting together when we could and seeing the sights. Seems like there's 11-12 Marine Corps bases there if I recall correctly.

If you enlisted at 18, we are close to the same age. You should go post in this thread and share some of your experiences:

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?t=76745

 

[Minor Axis]

Two things the article points out:

1. It had bipartisan support, caveat it however you wish - bipartisan
2. It won't pass the Dem senate

This bill is no more than cynical election year posturing for votes. "Hey, I triiiied to take power from Washington and give it back to the states, but I'm outnumbered. Vote for me and I'll keep fighting for YOU!"

As in 50-50? Lol, no a handful. Talk about spin. Why is beyond me.