Republican Judgement

[Alien Allen]

As in 50-50? Lol, no a handful. Talk about spin. Why is beyond me.

Gutting the program? Hardly.

There are few and far between laws that are rescinded. Most if not all states have regulations that are based on demands by the EPA. There is a fat chance of those getting rescinded. The enviro wacos will make certain of that.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Gutting the program? Hardly.

There are few and far between laws that are rescinded. Most if not all states have regulations that are based on demands by the EPA. There is a fat chance of those getting rescinded. The enviro wacos will make certain of that.

Enviro wacos? You mean people who stood up against polluters? Those people who demand clean water? Those nuts that demand safe food supplies?

Yeah, lets eliminate the EPA. Business will always do the right thing. I mean, they'd never dump so many chemicals into our streams and rivers as to cause them to catch fire, or kill the fish, or make the fish inedible without regulation would they?

They didn't cause all those fires on the Cuyahoga River in 1868, 1883, 1887, 1912, 1922, 1936, 1941, 1948, 1952 and in 1969 did they?

Why then in August 1, 1969, did Time magazine report on the fire and on the condition of the Cuyahoga River? The magazine stated,

Some River! Chocolate-brown, oily, bubbling with subsurface gases, it oozes rather than flows. "Anyone who falls into the Cuyahoga does not drown," Cleveland's citizens joke grimly. "He decays". . . The Federal Water Pollution Control Administration dryly notes: "The lower Cuyahoga has no visible signs of life, not even low forms such as leeches and sludge worms that usually thrive on wastes." It is also -- literally -- a fire hazard.

What the hell...business doesn't need EPA regulations to prevent them from polluting for profit now do they Allie boy?

Allie...is that short for Alice?

More talk radio drivel Allie boy?

Try to think a little. Are you really that cranially-rectally infected that you believe the EPA and its supporters hate business so they regulate them until they fail? Or could it actually be that reasonable people care about this planet we live on and want to keep it clean and livable?

 

[Accountable]

As in 50-50? Lol, no a handful. Talk about spin. Why is beyond me.

The bill is bipartisan, sponsored by Rep. John Mica (R-Fla.), Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.), and 32 others.

http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2011/06/bipartisan-effort-undermine-clean-water-act

 

[Accountable]

Yeah, lets eliminate the EPA. Business will always do the right thing. I mean, they'd never dump so many chemicals into our streams and rivers as to cause them to catch fire, or kill the fish, or make the fish inedible without regulation would they?
?

The bill doesn't eliminate the EPA.

 

[Johnfromokc]

The bill doesn't eliminate the EPA.

I wasn't responding to the bill as I have not read it yet. I was responding to Alien Allie boys talk radio term "enviro-wacko's".

 

[Johnfromokc]

The bill doesn't eliminate the EPA.

OK this bill, HR 2018, Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act of 2011, (Catchy name) is designed to amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to preserve the authority of each State to make determinations relating to the State's water quality standards, and for other purposes.

Like the MJ article states, the EPA was created in 1972 because the states weren't doing a very good job of protecting their rivers, streams and lakes from corporate pollution. Now the Republicans want to give that authority back to the states? Why would the Republicans do this? I wonder what we will find when we follow the money?

The house votes were 289 to 184 in favor, with 16 Demicrats voting yes, and 13 Republican voting no. I'd say the Republicans own this one, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Accountable]

OK this bill, HR 2018, Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act of 2011, (Catchy name) is designed to amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to preserve the authority of each State to make determinations relating to the State's water quality standards, and for other purposes.

Like the MJ article states, the EPA was created in 1972 because the states weren't doing a very good job of protecting their rivers, streams and lakes from corporate pollution. Now the Republicans want to give that authority back to the states? Why would the Republicans do this? I wonder what we will find when we follow the money?

The house votes were 289 to 184 in favor, with 16 Demicrats voting yes, and 13 Republican voting no. I'd say the Republicans own this one, wouldn't you agree?

Bah. Arguing about whether it's a Dem or Repub issue is like arguing which evil twin raped the girl first & which one joined in later. I just do it because it irritates Minor. But you have a point about following the money.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Bah. Arguing about whether it's a Dem or Repub issue is like arguing which evil twin raped the girl first & which one joined in later. I just do it because it irritates Minor. But you have a point about following the money.

You do have to admit each side has its core issues. The Republicans are pro life, and the Democrats are pro environment for example.

You can follow the money on any issue with either party to see which monied interest is pushing it - and the Republicans clearly own this one - or perhaps more correctly - are owned by the lobbyists of this particular issue.

 

[Minor Axis]

http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2011/06/bipartisan-effort-undermine-clean-water-act

So when The Dems save SS/Medicare and 4 Republicans vote for it, we can call it bipartisan while Rep leadership goes insane.

 

[Johnfromokc]

So when The Dems save SS/Medicare and 4 Republicans vote for it, we can call it bipartisan while Rep leadership goes insane.

Bi partisan. LOL

 

[Accountable]

So when The Dems save SS/Medicare and 4 Republicans vote for it, we can call it bipartisan while Rep leadership goes insane.

You KNOW that Obama would call it bipartisan if Arlen Specter was the closest to a Repub to vote for it, since he used to be one.

Nothing major passes without bipartisan support.

 

[Alien Allen]

Hey Johnny were you not the one whining in the past about name calling

Try to keep on the topic

Show me some major environmental laws that have been rescinded.

I work in a field that is controlled by environmental laws

When you know what you are talking about and want to stay on topic please do.

And yeah I have seen the environmental nuts in action. Truth is not their ally. As has been stated follow the money. Many a study was skewed from the get go to end up with their desired result.

Again when you want to get educated on the topic then feel free to speak out. Until then you are merely parroting the drivel from the far left.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Hey Johnny were you not the one whining in the past about name calling

Hey Alien Alice - whats the matter? Dish it out but can't take it? Typical of conservobotism.

Try to keep on the topic

So what's the topic now? It keeps changing.

Show me some major environmental laws that have been rescinded.

Never said that. But your beloved conservatives in congress keep attempting to recind EPA laws. Fortunately, they keep failing - just like you keep failing to add any legitimate information to this thread.

I work in a field that is controlled by environmental laws

Really? What field might that be?

When you know what you are talking about and want to stay on topic please do.

Unlike you, I refrain from speaking as an authority on issues I know nothing about.

And yeah I have seen the environmental nuts in action. Truth is not their ally. As has been stated follow the money. Many a study was skewed from the get go to end up with their desired result.

Examples of these "environmental nuts" in action?

Examples of "many a study" that was skewed?

Again when you want to get educated on the topic then feel free to speak out. Until then you are merely parroting the drivel from the far left.

I've been trying to get you to "educate" everyone since I started posting here. But all you do is cry, whine and namecall.

But please feel free to educate everyone with your environmental and economic wisdom. We await your enlightenment with pregnant anticipation.

 

[Alien Allen]

so ya got nothing Johnny eh other than smarmy bullshit

tsk, tsk

 

[Accountable]

But your beloved conservatives in congress keep attempting to recind EPA laws. Fortunately, they keep failing

You don't really think this was a serious attempt to rescind anything, do you? Come on. You know how things really work in Washington. For issues so controversial as that, you build some huge omni package with a cheesy patriotic name and tuck it deep inside where nobody will see it. It might be years before anybody even notices, if they notice at all.

 

[Johnfromokc]

so ya got nothing Johnny eh other than smarmy bullshit

tsk, tsk

Come now inheritance Alice. I asked you to back up your claims of environmental wackoism, as well as what type of business you are engaged in where you deal with environmental issues.

Know what? I don't think you are in any business. I think you work at Wal Mart or some similar type business and occaisionally read an MSDS.

On second thought, I doubt you've ever read an MSDS or even know what one is. Never mind.

 

[Alien Allen]

keep on trolling Johnny

You got to do a lot better if you want to piss me off

 

[Johnfromokc]

keep on trolling Johnny

You got to do a lot better if you want to piss me off

Still no answers? So, you claim to work in a field "controlled by environmental laws" but then you come back and call me a troll when I ask you for more information?

What's the name of your company AA?

Here's what you posted:

Hey Johnny were you not the one whining in the past about name calling


I work in a field that is controlled by environmental laws

And yeah I have seen the environmental nuts in action. Truth is not their ally. As has been stated follow the money. Many a study was skewed from the get go to end up with their desired result.

I'm calling bullshit. You can't provide any links or information to back up the claims in your posts, and then you call me a troll?

When does your shift at Wal Mart start?

 

[Minor Axis]

You don't really think this was a serious attempt to rescind anything, do you? Come on. You know how things really work in Washington. For issues so controversial as that, you build some huge omni package with a cheesy patriotic name and tuck it deep inside where nobody will see it. It might be years before anybody even notices, if they notice at all.

This statement makes me wonder just how naive you are, or is it head in sand, or apologist?

Gutting the program? Hardly.

There are few and far between laws that are rescinded. Most if not all states have regulations that are based on demands by the EPA. There is a fat chance of those getting rescinded. The enviro wacos will make certain of that.

I'd give you more credibility if you also described those who are attempting to dismantle the Clean Water Act as anti-environmental wackos. This makes you look like your 100% anti-regulation.

 

[Accountable]

This statement makes me wonder just how naive you are, or is it head in sand, or apologist?

Naive? You seriously think that House repubs thought they can push such an act through a dem-controlled Senate and that President Obama would sign it? I think you're the naive one in this case. If not, show me where I'm wrong.