Republican Judgement
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1) I have not lied about anything, and to accuse me of such is downright pathetic.
2) I already told you that I'd get around to answering it if and when I felt like it. You just presented a legitimate question after dancing around it for hours. I haven't bothered even trying to respond yet because you couldn't even do that much.
3) If you knew anything about my political beliefs, you'd realize that I pretty much disagree with 90-95% of the garbage that I've heard Hannity spew.
4) I actually have very succinct political views. I believe in a small and limited government, states rights, and liberty. Everything I believe can be based around those three very basic and very constitutional principles.
5) If you honestly believe that I've had my ass handed to me during one of your juvenile diatribes, I honestly feel sorry for you. You've apparently bought into your own bullshit and believe yourself and your political ideals to be infallible.
You're acting like a petty small minded child out for cheap entertainment. You've provided little to nothing of substance, and what little substance you have provided has been so muddied up by rhetoric it's nearly impossible to keep straight. If you'd like to have a discussion like an adult, I'm sure we'd all welcome it. But up until now, your behavior shows quite the opposite.
2) I already told you that I'd get around to answering it if and when I felt like it. You just presented a legitimate question after dancing around it for hours. I haven't bothered even trying to respond yet because you couldn't even do that much.
3) If you knew anything about my political beliefs, you'd realize that I pretty much disagree with 90-95% of the garbage that I've heard Hannity spew.
4) I actually have very succinct political views. I believe in a small and limited government, states rights, and liberty. Everything I believe can be based around those three very basic and very constitutional principles.
5) If you honestly believe that I've had my ass handed to me during one of your juvenile diatribes, I honestly feel sorry for you. You've apparently bought into your own bullshit and believe yourself and your political ideals to be infallible.
You're acting like a petty small minded child out for cheap entertainment. You've provided little to nothing of substance, and what little substance you have provided has been so muddied up by rhetoric it's nearly impossible to keep straight. If you'd like to have a discussion like an adult, I'm sure we'd all welcome it. But up until now, your behavior shows quite the opposite.
$15./hr minimum wage?
CAMMIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can we move in? Not that she'll see this comment in this thread.
For real, I'd have to put penises in my mouth for that much money at this point, slap a Socceroos jersey on me and ship me over there!
$15./hr minimum wage?
CAMMIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can we move in? Not that she'll see this comment in this thread.
That sounds fine and dandy, but you have to factor in the actual cost of living. This is why I told John he was still comparing apples and oranges. $15/hr in Australia may end up being less than say the $8/hr that it is here in California. You not only have to factor in such things as exchange rate, but also comparative value. What is the difference in housing? What about groceries? Gasoline? Utilities? Once you've compared all of those factors, then you're able to actually draw a parallel between the two situations.
It's all about proper perspective... if you look at the two situations at face value, then one may look vastly superior on paper. But you have to dig deeper than the flat numbers.
Accountable
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Apologist:a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc. 
In Australia, the base wage is refered to as a living wage, not a minimum wage. A living wage maintains a decent standard of living and provides economic stability for working people.
Which is why they're two completely different concepts... like I told John, apples and oranges.
Ah thanks, so it's not exactly the trap retro is making it out to be? lol
Actually, my point is that John is making comparisons between two completely different things while trying to make them out to be equal. While I wasn't aware that the minimum wage in Australia was a living wage, it didn't anything but actual bolster my argument. :24:
In Australia, the minimum wage is as John has said $15.00/hr....actually $15.51. It is their minimum wage but it is a living wage. So, I guess in the US, the concept of a minimum wage vs a living wage is an apples to oranges comparison whereas in Australia, it is an apples to apples comparison. The question is how is it that Australia can provide it's workers with minimum wage that is a living wage, national healthcare, vacation premium w/4 weeks vacation and maintain a 4.9% unemployment rate as well as a stable economy but the US, the richest nation on the planet, would implode economically if it did the same?
Ok, I wasn't sure if you were implying it had to be inferior to our system or not. I seez.
Johnfromokc
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I've been trying for days to have an adult conversation with you, Accountable and Alien Allen. Each one of you ignore the tough questions, use words like ad hominem, strawmen, and non sequitur while engaging in the same.
Sorry, but you just are not clever enough to turn this around on me. Now that others are entering the debate, why don't you do your due diligence on the cost of living in Australia. I advise you to do it well, because I have.
We are all awaiting your explanation as to why you carry the banner of the wealthy while advocating cutting working class programs like Social Security and Medicare.
Accountable
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Nah, that's not the question. Before you can ask that, you have to ask if it would implode economically.
What are the other variable expenditures of their Goverment? How many billions in aid to foreign countries do they provide? What is their tax structure?
Do you think that minimum wage, healthcare and unemployment rates are the only variables needed to compare the two economies?
Johnfromokc
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Actually, it IS the question. Why can't you guys just answer it? If you don't believe it will work, let's see your numbers.
Accountable
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Really? So you believe that our economy would implode if it offered all those things? Lessee YOUR numbers.
Then don't compare the two...
Why wouldn't a living wage work in this country?
Why wouldn't universal health care work in this country?
Why wouldn't mandatory paid vacation work in this country?
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