Religion Debate Thread

[HK]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

Stop accusing everyone having a mental illness

Everyone? I said that I think rapists and child molesters are sick. You want to disagree with me?

it is a choice, so just get a grip on yer self, you know both are wrong.

All I 'know' is that something that harms others such as rape is obviously wrong, sex between two adults regardless of their gender causes no harm to anyone, so why should it be wrong exactly?

Whether it hurts no one being gay is not the point

Yes it is.

the point is you want to side track something by accusing people of having a mental illness when there is no proof, only scientists and psychologists speculation

I'd say wanting to have sex with children is an indication that someone is not right in the head.

Please do not say that I condone paedophiles, because that would be so untrue

Stop dramatising then. Gay sex is not comparable to non-consensual sex, and trying to talk like we should lump gays in with sex offenders is ridiculous.

As for your other comments to Niamh about gays not harming anyone - whether you're a murderer is not linked to your sexuality. Straight people murder as many as gay people do, the point we are making is that finding your own sex attractive does not hurt anyone should you act on it. Obviously anyone of any age, race and gender is capable of murder.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

Everyone? I said that I think rapists and child molesters are sick. You want to disagree with me?



All I 'know' is that something that harms others such as rape is obviously wrong, sex between two adults regardless of their gender causes no harm to anyone, so why should it be wrong exactly?



Yes it is.



I'd say wanting to have sex with children is an indication that someone is not right in the head.



Stop dramatising then. Gay sex is not comparable to non-consensual sex, and trying to talk like we should lump gays in with sex offenders is ridiculous.

As for your other comments to Niamh about gays not harming anyone - whether you're a murderer is not linked to your sexuality. Straight people murder as many as gay people do, the point we are making is that finding your own sex attractive does not hurt anyone should you act on it. Obviously anyone of any age, race and gender is capable of murder.

And over a hundred years ago it was legal to have sex with children, and you are now dismissing it as something as 'not right in the head'. It was only made illegal to protect their welfare, get your facts right before you accuse someone of not being right in the head, because you are only repeating speculation what has been said by scientists and psychologists speculate. And before you start accusing me of condoning paedophilia, I don't. I said that because you of all people have said that they don't harm people, which clearly they do, obviously you don't know that, you haven't lived long enough by the sounds of things or are one of these people who turn a blind eye to these things that happpen

 

[Tuffdisc]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

well, yes it is, rape and paedophilia are illegal crimes, being Gay and being straight are neither illegal nor crimes, therefore incomparable.

You are obviously not getting so please stop it :thumbup because you are now talking drivel

 

[HK]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

I said that because you of all people have said that they don't harm people, which clearly they do, obviously you don't know that, you haven't lived long enough by the sounds of things or are one of these people who turn a blind eye to these things that happpen

So? Gay people hurt people, straight people hurt people, and bi people hurt people.

I don't know how to make this any clearer. Anyone can hurt anyone, it has nothing to do with your sexuality.

If a man has sex with another man, who gets hurt? Seriously, tell me who is harmed by that act, assuming that they are both consenting adults who agree to have sex, as is the case in most relationships. Who is hurt by that act, exactly?

 

[Niamh]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

You are obviously not getting so please stop it :thumbup because you are now talking drivel

lmfao I think you sir are the one who is not getting it or is it that you have no reasonable reply to my post?

 

[Tuffdisc]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

So? Gay people hurt people, straight people hurt people, and bi people hurt people.

I don't know how to make this any clearer. Anyone can hurt anyone, it has nothing to do with your sexuality.

If a man has sex with another man, who gets hurt? Seriously, tell me who is harmed by that act, assuming that they are both consenting adults who agree to have sex, as is the case in most relationships. Who is hurt by that act, exactly?

You've to gay to rape a person of the same gender and I have never said that straight people haven't raped girls

 

[HK]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

You've to gay to rape a person of the same gender and I have never said that straight people haven't raped girls

That's not the question I asked. I already said, anyone of any gender can hurt anyone else regardless of their sexuality. That's not the issue.

I'll ask again: who gets hurt if two consenting adult males have sex?

 

[Tuffdisc]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

That's not the question I asked. I already said, anyone of any gender can hurt anyone else regardless of their sexuality. That's not the issue.

I'll ask again: who gets hurt if two consenting adult males have sex?

That is not the point whether it is consenting or not, at the end of the day homosexuality is a choice, remember you did say they WERE CONSENTING, both have a choice, both can yes or no, both can fancy a man or not if they want to. To say that a person can't control who they fancy is just really rubbish

 

[HK]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

That is not the point whether it is consenting or not, at the end of the day homosexuality is a choice, remember you did say they WERE CONSENTING, both have a choice, both can yes or no, both can fancy a man or not if they want to. To say that a person can't control who they fancy is just really rubbish

So you're still not going to answer the question? If being gay and having gay partners doesn't hurt anyone then why should it be considered a bad thing?

Consent is given for an act, I didn't say 'they gave consent therefore they CHOSE to be gay'. You can be gay and choose not to have sex, but you can't choose to stop being gay.

You can't control who you find attractive. You can't force yourself to find a woman attractive if she's really ugly to you, can you?

You know, me and Niamh keep answering your questions, even though you keep twisting away from answering ours. You could always try and actually have a discussion about this, rather than avoiding anything we ask. All that does it make look like you can't think of an answer.

 

[Niamh]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

That is not the point whether it is consenting or not, at the end of the day homosexuality is a choice, remember you did say they WERE CONSENTING, both have a choice, both can yes or no, both can fancy a man or not if they want to. To say that a person can't control who they fancy is just really rubbish

OMG talk about going round in circles. Everyone can chose whether or not to act on the fact that they fancy someone but not who that someone is................again. So, if they are both consenting adults why should they not act on it? Why chose to be with someone they don't fancy? that makes no sense.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

Right that is it, I am not talking here anymore, if you want to accuse me of going around in circles, and basically we are hijacking someone's nice experience with what she believed was God sent.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

:24: This really did go around in circles. Don't worry HK/Niamh, you two did great

 

[BornReady]

As for homosexuality, who you are attracted to is not a choice for most people. There may be a few like Tuffdisc who can choose to be attracted to women or men but that is the exception not the rule. Sex is a choice, not that anyone said it isn't. I can and do choose not to have sex with women excluding my wife. I suppose you could say I choose not to have sex with men too. I don't really think of it like that though since I have no desire for men.

As for religion, much of it is fucked up. But it isn't going anywhere. Religion meets needs that many people have. We should not try to get rid of religion. What we need is for religion to evolve with society. Religion is harmful when it becomes static.

 

[All Else Failed]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

Atheism has flaws in its preaching to religious people, they say that religion hates, yet that is exactly what atheism teaches

Atheism teaches nothing. It can't "teach".

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Heh heh, I get tokenz, yay!

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Here's a good summation of me and my views (from Wikipedia...and if some deadshit tells me Wikipedia is a bad source one more time you will die, lol):

Secular Humanism, alternatively known as Humanism (with an emphasis on the capital H to distinguish it from other forms of humanism), is a secular philosophy that espouses human reason, ethics, and justice, and the search for human fulfillment. It specifically rejects religious dogma, supernaturalism, pseudoscience or superstition as the basis of morality and decision-making.

Secular Humanism is a comprehensive life stance that focuses on the way human beings can lead happy and functional lives. Though it posits that human beings are capable of being ethical and moral without religion or God, it neither assumes humans to be inherently or innately good, nor presents humans as "above nature" or superior to it. Rather, the Humanist life stance emphasises the unique responsibility facing humanity and the ethical consequences of human decisions. Fundamental to the concept of Secular Humanism is the strongly held belief that ideology — be it religious or political — must be examined by each individual and not simply accepted or rejected on faith. Along with this belief, an essential part of Secular Humanism is a continually adapting search for truth, primarily through science and philosophy.

 

[BornReady]

Here's a good summation of me and my views

:thumbup

 

[Dana]

Said it before and i'll say it again. I believe in God. Religion is what separates people. And nothing you spout in this thread will make me change my mind. atheists are just as bad as bible thumpers.

 

[Carlton]

Im an atheist, but I respect anyones belief. thats all is needed