Religion Debate Thread

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

Humans don't need religion to have morals. Morals are as simple as determining what you think is right or wrong, depends on the person.

 

[Kyle B]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

How did a thread about shoveling snow turn into a religious debate?

Edit: Ah, nevermind.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

Of course there is. There's building better, sustainable societies for one thing.

Who made it illegal to have sex with children? Since when has a sustainable society have anything to do with religion?

 

[edgray]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

Who made it illegal to have sex with children?

I really have no idea what that has to do with anything. But I'm guessing the law makers, govt etc. That's how laws are normally formed.

Since when has a sustainable society have anything to do with religion?

Finally, a relevant question!

On so many levels, too many to go into right now, but in brief:

the religious are the most skeptical about global warming
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/21/us/politics/21climate.html?_r=1
“(talking about global warming) It’s a flat-out lie,” Mr. Dennison said in an interview after the debate, adding that he had based his view on the preaching of Rush Limbaugh and the teaching of Scripture. “I read my Bible,” Mr. Dennison said. “He made this earth for us to utilize.”

“Being a strong Christian,” she added, “I cannot help but believe the Lord placed a lot of minerals in our country and it’s not there to destroy us.”

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about here.

God hinders social change
God is used to justify ridiculous human inventions such as the "free market" and his invisible hand kills the poor to guide this market in equilibrium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_hand

The belief in God hinders progress
With the religious trying to take over the science classroom for their own agenda.
(look into the comical notion of "intelligent Design")
And not to mention that the religious tend to be more conservative in nature, and see the world, God's world, as being made this way for a reason. Shuts off all lines of inquiry and hinders any real progress.
Stem cell research? Not under a religious president. Fuck all the people it could save, it's simply not God's will (whatever that is).

Recently many conflicts around the globe have religious roots or at least religious connotations
The Middle East situation has religion as big factor (Bush was even cited as saying he's doing God's work by invading Iraq. Yeah that's it, God wants hundreds of thousands of dead innocent people.)

Is that enough to start off with?

It's fine to believe in the invisible super sky-father, as long as you keep it to yourself and don't base ANY decisions in the real world on that clap trap. AND furthermore admit that none of us know whether there's a God or not. NO ONE knows. And to pretend to talk to him, or pretend YOU know his motives or what he wants, is just plain insanity.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

Belief in God makes for more dysfunctional societies :nod:

www.equalitytrust.org.uk .... I think...

 

[edgray]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

Belief in God makes for more dysfunctional societies :nod:

www.equalitytrust.org.uk .... I think...

well there's a correlation that the stronger a society believes in God, the more dysfunctional it is....

... however, it's not 100% known as to whether it's the cause or not, but it certainly appears it's a large contributing factor.

If you believe in God, and believe he made the world as it is, why would you want to change it? It gives a very deterministic view of the world that justifies all the suffering without trying to put the effort into changing things.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

I really have no idea what that has to do with anything. But I'm guessing the law makers, govt etc. That's how laws are normally formed.



Finally, a relevant question!

On so many levels, too many to go into right now, but in brief:

the religious are the most skeptical about global warming
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/21/us/politics/21climate.html?_r=1
“(talking about global warming) It’s a flat-out lie,” Mr. Dennison said in an interview after the debate, adding that he had based his view on the preaching of Rush Limbaugh and the teaching of Scripture. “I read my Bible,” Mr. Dennison said. “He made this earth for us to utilize.”

“Being a strong Christian,” she added, “I cannot help but believe the Lord placed a lot of minerals in our country and it’s not there to destroy us.”

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about here.

God hinders social change
God is used to justify ridiculous human inventions such as the "free market" and his invisible hand kills the poor to guide this market in equilibrium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_hand

The belief in God hinders progress
With the religious trying to take over the science classroom for their own agenda.
(look into the comical notion of "intelligent Design")
And not to mention that the religious tend to be more conservative in nature, and see the world, God's world, as being made this way for a reason. Shuts off all lines of inquiry and hinders any real progress.
Stem cell research? Not under a religious president. Fuck all the people it could save, it's simply not God's will (whatever that is).

Recently many conflicts around the globe have religious roots or at least religious connotations
The Middle East situation has religion as big factor (Bush was even cited as saying he's doing God's work by invading Iraq. Yeah that's it, God wants hundreds of thousands of dead innocent people.)

Is that enough to start off with?

It's fine to believe in the invisible super sky-father, as long as you keep it to yourself and don't base ANY decisions in the real world on that clap trap. AND furthermore admit that none of us know whether there's a God or not. NO ONE knows. And to pretend to talk to him, or pretend YOU know his motives or what he wants, is just plain insanity.

That is a few people, whether or not they are religious or not, I can't judge them only God can NOT ME or YOU

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

Lol only God can judge is a load of bull. I judge people every single day.

 

[edgray]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

That is a few people, whether or not they are religious or not, I can't judge them only God can NOT ME or YOU

I don't think it's just a few people. We're talking massive proportions of most societies on the planet living under the same delusion.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

I don't think it's just a few people. We're talking massive proportions of most societies on the planet living under the same delusion.

I don't think you are serious, so end of talking about this subject, so if atheist hate religion so much why do they discuss religion or berate it, you obviously must love religion

 

[edgray]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

I don't think you are serious, so end of talking about this subject, so if atheist hate religion so much why do they discuss religion or berate it, you obviously must love religion

that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

If religious people hate atheists, why do they berate it and talk about it? They must love it :dunno (Hey, just using the same logic).

 

[Tuffdisc]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Oh come on, it does, why are you so damn fret up about religion, because it is either you love it or don't understand it End of discussion, because this is becoming boring now

 

[edgray]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

Oh come on, it does, why are you so damn fret up about religion, because it is either you love it or don't understand it End of discussion, because this is becoming boring now

did you not read anything I posted? It's for those reasons and those reasons alone.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

did you not read anything I posted? It's for those reasons and those reasons alone.

I don't want to read anything you post, as far as I am concerned they are people who have the right to question people, not to fall silent everytime so scientists come up with something, are we not suppose to question the ability of scientists when they say that an unborn child is not a life or that homosexuality is down to some chromosome in the human body when it is a choice?

 

[edgray]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

I don't want to read anything you post, as far as I am concerned they are people who have the right to question people, not to fall silent everytime so scientists come up with something, are we not suppose to question the ability of scientists when they say that an unborn child is not a life or that homosexuality is down to some chromosome in the human body when it is a choice?

Hang on, you're saying people have the right to question, isn't that what I'm doing? Or do my rights not count?

Furthermore, attributing anything to God is the opposite of questioning. The reason believers deny Global Warming is because they don't question, they don't question the way God made the world.

Oh, and homosexuality is not a choice any more than being straight is. And that's another big problem you've highlighted right there.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

Hang on, you're saying people have the right to question, isn't that what I'm doing? Or do my rights not count?

Furthermore, attributing anything to God is the opposite of questioning. The reason believers deny Global Warming is because they don't question, they don't question the way God made the world.

Oh, and homosexuality is not a choice any more than being straight is. And that's another big problem you've highlighted right there.

You really don't talk sense, we all choose what to or not to do in life, so homosexuality is a choice, end of discussion. Little hormones don't control what we think. If that is the case, should we legalise any other things that are sexual, surely you are not saying that paedophiles can't control themselves, because they can. What a bout rapists, do they have a choice on what they want to do, or are you condoning that? So I think you believe too much in what scientists say without even questioning them, bet you haven't done that, except listen to your own self

Attributing miracles to God is not the opposite of questioning, even if scientists can't even come up with a reasonable explanation as to why things happen they can't explain, there is no harm in believing in God gave them a miracle in life, so just leave this OP's belief's alone, they are not harming you, oh wait, you're an atheists, and the only reason why you believe that homosexuality is normal, is because it goes against you simply you admitted you had sex with a man, wouldn't that be fair to say that?

 

[Springsteen]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

If you have a conscious mind then you have an ability to control what you do, which is why if you want to be gay, you choose to be. Sure you get the feelings beforehand, but eventually you make the choice. Much like the choice you make to tell your parents, friends etc, much like they choose whether to say "cool story, now let's go and beat up some gypsies" or abandon you. Forever.

If you watch kiddie porn, you're scum and deserve to be put down, but it's your choice to be that way. Same logic with rapists, they choose to go out and rape people, it's wrong, it's against the law, but they choose to do it anyway.

 

[edgray]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

You really don't talk sense, we all choose what to or not to do in life, so homosexuality is a choice, end of discussion. Little hormones don't control what we think. If that is the case, should we legalise any other things that are sexual, surely you are not saying that paedophiles can't control themselves, because they can. What a bout rapists, do they have a choice on what they want to do, or are you condoning that? So I think you believe too much in what scientists say without even questioning them, bet you haven't done that, except listen to your own self

There's a BIG difference between being a rapist and being a homosexual and I cannot believe anyone would build an argument around the two in this day and age. Are you homophobic then? It certainly sounds like it.

Being homosexual IS NOT A CHOICE. Sexual orientation is not something you "choose". It's how we are formed. You are straight not through choice any more than anyone else.

And this has nothing to do with control or anything like that, and I really don't understand where any of this came from, the rape scenario doesn't apply here.

As for questioning scientists, I'd happily question a scientist. But the scientific findings, well, unless you can conduct similar studies then you have to take the results they have found. Science should always be questioned. The peer-review process demands it.

Attributing miracles to God is not the opposite of questioning, even if scientists can't even come up with a reasonable explanation as to why things happen they can't explain, there is no harm in believing in God gave them a miracle in life, so just leave this OP's belief's alone, they are not harming you, oh wait, you're an atheists, and the only reason why you believe that homosexuality is normal, is because it goes against you simply you admitted you had sex with a man, wouldn't that be fair to say that?

Of course it's the opposite of questioning: it's an ANSWER! Attributing anything to God is giving yourself the easiest and least-effort of answers.

There is plenty of harm in a belief in God, as I explained briefly before in this thread, and you've just highlighted that very well: Bigotry is one of the bastions of modern religion. Great contribution to the world, that one.

As for homosexuality being "normal", well, it certainly is for homosexuals. And it's been observed in many other species, not just humans. It's as natural as the sun rising every day.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Re: 2 hours IN shoveling - SNOW ANGEL CAME

Think about it guys...what causes people to choose to want to do these things?