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yet leverpool fans keep extolling the virtues of carragher

Can you spell Liverpool correctly? I don't particularly think he is the best. There are others who are clearly better than Carragher by a mile. I don't blame him entirely on the poor performances at the earlier part of the season, but to publicly state that Hodgson was a good manager for Liverpool really put a downer on what I thought about him. Didn't rate him as world class, never will. Won't even class him as a legend. Most of the Liverpool players from 91/92 - current date will never be classed as legends, Carragher and Gerrard will be in that status of never being a legend. To be a legend you have to be someone special and spectacular for the team you play for.
 
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From an outside perspective, I'd say Carragher and Gerrard have done enough to justify being called legends. Sure Carragher's not as quick or effective as he used to be but I'd still say in his earlier career he was pretty good. Gerrard I'd certainly say is a legend because of the amount of times he's dragged Liverpool from the mud in games.

But then the debate begins about what constitutes a legend. Some Wycombe fans called Roy Essandoh a legend because of what he did in that FA Cup tie. That's one goal. But to some of them he's a legend.
 

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They haven't done enough in my opinion to be regarded as legends. And I am sure that is the same for many fans of Liverpool.

They probably will still hold them in high esteem because they are from the local area, but regarding them as legends, I doubt it
 

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Carragher and gerrard are your best players and won the champions league for you!! Rofl, tufffy, who do you class as a legend then? Robbie fowler? Wtf did he win?

Oh, and I don't get stoned by the way. Not that that has anything to do with anything.

Do you know what I think is really funny? I reckon I'm a better Liverpool fan than you! :D
 

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From an outside perspective, I'd say Carragher and Gerrard have done enough to justify being called legends. Sure Carragher's not as quick or effective as he used to be but I'd still say in his earlier career he was pretty good. Gerrard I'd certainly say is a legend because of the amount of times he's dragged Liverpool from the mud in games.

But then the debate begins about what constitutes a legend. Some Wycombe fans called Roy Essandoh a legend because of what he did in that FA Cup tie. That's one goal. But to some of them he's a legend.

He's a legend. It's less what he did, but who he was.
 

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Oh I understand why he's called a legend, absolutely.

Local area does perhaps come into the legends argument, but I think what you do at the club matters more.

Gerrard won Liverpool the 2005 Champions League, and the 2006 FA Cup.

Much like Cantona and Schmeichel won us the League in 1996 from Newcastle. There's nothing wrong with having one player to win things for you.
 
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Carragher and gerrard are your best players and won the champions league for you!! Rofl, tufffy, who do you class as a legend then? Robbie fowler? Wtf did he win?

Oh, and I don't get stoned by the way. Not that that has anything to do with anything.

Do you know what I think is really funny? I reckon I'm a better Liverpool fan than you! :D

Sorry, the whole team in 2005 won the Champions League, don't you have the sense of team play? I think when you are not stoned, perhaps you watch the match again, so you're hardly the better Liverpool fan, you don't come up with facts, just rubbish
 

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Tuffdisc, stop being a dick for once maybe? Can't you have a discussion where you dont claim someone is stoned or can't read. It was funny at first because it was proof you were either a child or a retard, but like most childish behaviours, it wears thin.
 

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Tuffdisc, stop being a dick for once maybe? Can't you have a discussion where you dont claim someone is stoned or can't read. It was funny at first because it was proof you were either a child or a retard, but like most childish behaviours, it wears thin.

I don't think you do know about football, because if you did you would realise that Vidic is crap. I am so glad Man Utd fans think he is good or great. It has nothing to do with the fact that I am biased against Man Utd. Any player who constantly gets sent off against any good players is proving my point, they are crap...and last night did prove it. Where was Vidic when Villa scored? No where near Villa
 

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Yeah very interesting tufty, but that wasn't what I asked you, I asked you if could stop being a dick?
 

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Any player who constantly gets sent off against any good players is proving my point, they are crap...and last night did prove it. Where was Vidic when Villa scored? No where near Villa

So...he gets sent off a couple of times...that doesn't constitute crap, sorry. I know with being a Liverpool fan you'd be used to inadequate players but Vidic isn't one. He's up there as one of, if not the best, in the League. An unarguable point.

Also drop the other childish crap, as always.
 

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So...he gets sent off a couple of times...that doesn't constitute crap, sorry. I know with being a Liverpool fan you'd be used to inadequate players but Vidic isn't one. He's up there as one of, if not the best, in the League. An unarguable point.

Also drop the other childish crap, as always.

you should try supporting coventry:D
 

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The whisky is too tempting man.

Also Peterborough beat Huddersfield 3-0 in the League One play off final. Good game as it happened. I'm not sure where Mckail-Smith will end up though, I'm not sure he's Premier League quality and Boro just made the Championship.
 

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Apparently he's after coming back, which would make the dedication make sense given how he left. Barcelona need to raise funds for the Fabregas and Rossi deals. I think they have to set aside about 80m euro for the deals. Fabregas they would be prepared to go up to 50m, whereas Rossi is coming to Barcelona and Bojan going the other way. Forget the tabloid talk of 40m, the deal won't be that much, it'll be 30m + Bojan for Rossi.
 
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