Pro Abortion = Anti Death Penalty

[Goat Whisperer]

But in your scenario w/ the released murderer he went on to kill an innocent person...so how is that better???

Lol that didn't make any sense...

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I can understand that...and I agree. BUT on the flip side...if it was MY mother, brother, sister, father, whatever that they KILLED...I want them to pay.

I wouldn't. Not if they had a loving mother, brother, sister, or father who would be going through the same thing I was, due to the death of their loved one.

I wouldn't want anyone else to have to go through that.

 

[The Joker]

Actually, I highly doubt they would all be serial murderers. In fact, 1% of them would be serial murderers. As most murders are crimes of passion done on the spur of the moment with intent but without premeditation.

And there is a difference between us unjustfully sentencing someone to death, as a nation, and an individual murdering someone because we failed to convict them.

And did you know that 87% of statistics are made up on the spot?

 

[Meirionnydd]

But its a lot about setting a precedent to discourage people who have the choice to commit such an act from ever acting it out.

Its been pretty much established in academic circles that capital punishment isn't an effective deterrent for committing serious crimes such as murder and rape.

In Dei delitti e delle pene, Cesare Beccaria wrote 'Its the certainty of punishment, rather than the severity, is a more effective deterrent'.

 

[motorbyclist]

Its been pretty much established in academic circles that capital punishment isn't an effective deterrent for committing serious crimes such as murder and rape.

In Dei delitti e delle pene, Cesare Beccaria wrote 'Its the certainty of punishment, rather than the severity, is a more effective deterrent'.

:nod: Agree with that.

If I knew I was going to rot in prison I'd probably take great pleasure in knowing I was going to be executed instead. Chances are I wasn't happy with my life anyway and was probably feeling suicidal.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

And did you know that 87% of statistics are made up on the spot?

Awe, but I researched that one

 

[Peter Parka]

I'm also for fewer appeals in death penalty cases.

Would you have liked to see Kenny Richie , an innocent man killed? He would have been if it wasn't for the appeals, he even came hours from being executed.

BBC NEWS | Scotland | Edinburgh, East and Fife | Death row Scot set to be released

 

[Peter Parka]

Peter are you pro assisted suicide?...for someone whos is deathly ill, you think it should be made legal for them to end there life without having to go through the suffering?...
What about for a unborn baby...whos mother has been told he will life a live of pain, and not live long....Do you think she is murdering that child by choosing to end its life before it begins??Saving it suffering?

I am against assisted suicide because of all the loopholes it presents. I dont want to see terminally ill people suffer but legallising it opens the way for people bumping off relatives for their inheritance and putting pressure on them for being a burden ect.

The abortion argument - as I've said else where, I think it should be legal in exceptional circumstances, like this, for instance.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I am against assisted suicide because of all the loopholes it presents. I dont want to see terminally ill people suffer but legallising it opens the way for people bumping off relatives for their inheritance and putting pressure on them for being a burden ect.

The abortion argument - as I've said else where, I think it should be legal in exceptional circumstances, like this, for instance.

That's why you only make it possible for them to decide if they want to live anymore, alone, in their hospital room. And you only kill vegetables that signed their piece of paper stating that's what they wanted before their coma.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

But in your scenario w/ the released murderer he went on to kill an innocent person...so how is that better???

You don't release ANYONE. You just don't KILL anyone; so that way if they are found innocent later on they can still be released. The only people released here are the innocent.

 

[Peter Parka]

That's why you only make it possible for them to decide if they want to live anymore, alone, in their hospital room. And you only kill vegetables that signed their piece of paper stating that's what they wanted before their coma.

How would you know what pressure anyone put the old person under before they went vegetable? Old people really have a thing about not being a burden and are very vulnerable to pressure put on them suggesting they are.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I still don't think it's fair to the lonely old man that is in a lot of pain. He wants to be put out of misery, but you won't let him, because he might be being peer pressured?

 

[Peter Parka]

I still don't think it's fair to the lonely old man that is in a lot of pain. He wants to be put out of misery, but you won't let him, because he might be being peer pressured?

Life's not fair, there is no perfect solution but it's better than people being bumped off through corruption.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Life's not fair, there is no perfect solution but it's better than people being bumped off through corruption.

If they really wanted to be alive they wouldn't go for it when someone tried to pressure it into them. It's not like their mentally retarded. My mom might pressure me into an abortion, so should abortions be illegal for that reason? My family and friends might pressure me to drop out of school, does that mean we should make dropping out at any age illegal?

The most fair way, is the freedom of choice. We try and watch for pressured situations (if the dieing person, doesn't want to die at that specific moment, it would be pretty obvious) but really, are they going to be pressured? They probably only have a few months left to live anyways. And if you were going to get money from them when they died in a few months, couldn't you just wait? It's not that long, so the chances of people actually trying to get their parents (or whoever it is) to kill themselves is slim to none. And if you really needed money, you could probably go live in their house and 'take care of them' and ask them for access to their account so you can shop for them... and yourself. It doesn't really matter it would be your money soon enough.

Your treating it like a movie. That kind of stuff doesn't happen often enough in real life for us to stop allowing people to die when they want too.

IMO If your in pain, suffering, and going to die soon from a terminal disease anyways, you have the right to die. And there is no reason you shouldn't be.

 

[Natasha]

Would you have liked to see Kenny Richie , an innocent man killed? He would have been if it wasn't for the appeals, he even came hours from being executed.

BBC NEWS | Scotland | Edinburgh, East and Fife | Death row Scot set to be released

Depends. The article doesn't say...does he admit to setting the fire but deny that he did it to kill the little girl??? If he set the fire and the little girl died in it, then he is guilty of what we call a capital offense and, yes, he should die. If he denies even setting the fire and the state is conceding that he may not be at fault, then I'm glad they got it sorted out and I think he should OWN that county.

I just don't believe that there are hundreds of innocent people being executed all the time in a society where any smidge of reasonable doubt requires a not guilty verdict and I'll never change my mind on that one no matter what statistics you throw at me.

 

[Natasha]

You don't release ANYONE. You just don't KILL anyone; so that way if they are found innocent later on they can still be released. The only people released here are the innocent.

That's fine in theory...but the overcrowding in jails is bad enough w/o housing people for life.

 

[Meirionnydd]

I just don't believe that there are hundreds of innocent people being executed all the time in a society where any smidge of reasonable doubt requires a not guilty verdict and I'll never change my mind on that one no matter what statistics you throw at me.

In the United Sates since 1972, 78 people on death row have eventually been exonerated and their innocence established. In the same period, there were 504 executions. That represents about 1 in 8 being innocent.

Bump....

 

[Natasha]

Bump....

I didn't miss it the first time. It says people on death row were exonerated...it does NOT say they were exonerated after having been executed.

 

[Meirionnydd]

I didn't miss it the first time. It says people on death row were exonerated...it does NOT say they were exonerated after having been executed.

And that makes a huge difference?

Unless the justice system and human judgement is completely infallible, I will never hold the belief that the death penalty is a viable punishment.

 

[Natasha]

Yes it makes a huge difference when people are yelling that innocent people are being executed.

The website I just looked at says 130 have been exonerated since 1973...sounds like a couple of different statistics are being pulled out of a couple of different asses to me. *shrugs*