Pro Abortion = Anti Death Penalty

[Ryder]

Both are taking a life so I dunno.

 

[wednesday]

Bri....yanno what, im not even gonna go there about this cuz everyone has there own veiws on it...sometimes making that choice isnt easy for a woman...sometimes its probably gonna haunt her forever..
but ill tell you something now sweetheart, if my daughter came home pregnant at 10 yrs old.after being raped...i wouldnt think twice.Id be saving two lifes.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I'm also for fewer appeals in death penalty cases...this whole multi-decade appeals crap is insane. Show me one homicide victim allowed the chance to appeal for their life multiple times, eat their requested last meal, say goodbye to their family one last time, and do it all while living on the taxpayer's dollar for 20 years...show me one and I'll reconsider my viewpoint.

What about the innocent convicted criminal? Who's family believes he is a cold hearted killer, who's friends hate him, and who is going to be put to death for a crime they didn't commit.

I'm sure it has happened and it will probably happen again. That's the only thing I get hung-up on, what if they ARE innocent?

 

[Goat Whisperer]

All the times you have had sex, killing babies with protection, don't count as taking life, but the time your daughter has a baby that was actually allowed to impregnate, and she wants to kill it (the same way you did by having sex with protection), you won't let her because it is a different kind of taking life?

I think they are the same, and if one is allowed so should the other.

 

[motorbyclist]

The world is becoming too cramped for all of us so maybe pro death is a good stance for us to take.

Clean the gene pool and cull the extreme overpopulation.

:jk:surrender

 

[wednesday]

All the times you have had sex, killing babies with protection, don't count as taking life, but the time your daughter has a baby that was actually allowed to impregnate, and she wants to kill it (the same way you did by having sex with protection), you want let her because it is a different kind of taking life?

I think they are the same, and if one is allowed so should the other.

one:a 10 yr old should never have to go through rape let alone child birth
two: that "baby" will be saved a life time of pain ....born into a unwanted and frowned upon enviroment..what sort oflife would it have?
three: a 10 yr old may not be able to handle pregnancy...there could be deformancy, child birth...anything....if this where an animal would you put it through that pain?...or let it sleep?

 

[Goat Whisperer]

one:a 10 yr old should never have to go through rape let alone child birth
two: that "baby" will be saved a life time of pain ....born into a unwanted and frowned upon enviroment..what sort oflife would it have?
three: a 10 yr old may not be able to handle pregnancy...there could be deformancy, child birth...anything....if this where an animal would you put it through that pain?...or let it sleep?

Dude, I'm pro-death, your preaching to the choir here

 

[wednesday]

Dude, I'm pro-death, your preaching to the choir here

Your stating killing babies??....that it should be the same as death the death sentence? I dont know how u figure that out..
If ive mis-read then i apologize.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Your stating killing babies??....that it should be the same as death the death sentence? I dont know how u figure that out..
If ive mis-read then i apologize.

Pro-death = pro-choice, pro-death penalty, and pro-euthanasia, etc.

 

[Maulds]

I'd support the death penalty if it were practical, Natasha pointed out why it is not.

I don't like anything about the idea of abortion but it isnt going anywhere so why argue it? I've learned to accept it.

 

[Natasha]

What about the innocent convicted criminal? Who's family believes he is a cold hearted killer, who's friends hate him, and who is going to be put to death for a crime they didn't commit.

I'm sure it has happened and it will probably happen again. That's the only thing I get hung-up on, what if they ARE innocent?

If they are TRULY innocent and have been unable to prove it during trial, during appeals, etc. then they have the shittiest luck possible and I hate to see them lose their lives...BUT the chances are miniscule.

 

[Maulds]

I'd bet that some time in the past an innocent man has been executed, but in this day and age its hard to imagine it happening.

 

[Natasha]

I'd bet that some time in the past an innocent man has been executed, but in this day and age its hard to imagine it happening.

Absolutely. There ARE cases from many many years past where an innocent man was convicted and executed...BUT it was looooooooooong before we had the forensic science we have now. With so much technology now and the fact that we live in a world where OJ Simpson was ACQUITTED...well, I just take the stance that 99% of the people convicted in this world are rightfully convicted.

Tim McVeigh...THAT is how the death penalty cases need to be done. Granted, he waived all his appeals, but that was the quickest span from convicted to execution that I've seen in my lifetime.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I still feel for that 1 %

 

[Makedde]

Though this is questionable it is not excrutiating at all.

Firstly a barbiturate (can't remember chemical names right now) is injected which is a very strong anaesthetic, renders the patient unconcious in about 10-20 secs.
Second, a muscle relaxant is injected, aka paralysis.
Thirdly, KCl is injected which induces cardiac arrest, if asphyxiation has not occured from the relaxant.

The patient is said to be unconcious or in a minor induced coma during all this and supposedly cannot feel a thing.

The problem is when an untrained medic administers the drugs, and the patient is not given enough sodium thiopental, the drug which makes the patient fall asleep. It's a very fast acting drug, and wears off quickly. It is possible that the patient could wake up after being given pancuronium bromide, which paralyses the muscles. This means that the patient cannot speak or move, but he can hear and feel pain. There is no way of knowing whether the inmate is awake or not without closely monitoring their heart, and this is not done during a lethal injection.
There have been reports of at least one man who woke up after the potassium chloride had been administered. The pancuronium bromide and sodium thiopental had both worn off and he was struggling to get off the table. Witnesses say he took almost half an hour to die, and was in massive pain from the potassium chloride.

 

[Makedde]

I'm also for fewer appeals in death penalty cases...this whole multi-decade appeals crap is insane. Show me one homicide victim allowed the chance to appeal for their life multiple times, eat their requested last meal, say goodbye to their family one last time, and do it all while living on the taxpayer's dollar for 20 years...show me one and I'll reconsider my viewpoint.

The decade of appeals is fine by me, because as the years go by, technology becomes more and more 'high tech'. Someone convicted of murder and sent to death today might be found guilty in a decade because of advances in forensics.

IMO no one should be sentenced to death because there is always a chance an innocent person is being executed.

 

[The Joker]

Both are taking a life so I dunno.

I wish you'd offer more.

That statement is the very reason that abortion is legal.

We don't know WHEN abortion is taking a life.

Regardless of what ANYBODY feels, the fact of the matter is that there is a certain point where the baby has life. And we don't know that point.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it legal to abort ONLY before the baby is recognizable as human shape? It's either that or until it takes it's first breath that it is alive.

 

[motorbyclist]

The problem is when an untrained medic administers the drugs, and the patient is not given enough sodium thiopental, the drug which makes the patient fall asleep blah blah blah.....

Yes that is true. But the problem is that there are only set quantities that are intraveniously injected.

The process is horribly flawed in that the doses (particularly the theopental) are not customised for each person. Also the bromide is a dilution agent towards barbiturates so I guess it could be said that the paralysis agent renders the anaesthetic non-effective. But hey, this ain't my science lecture.

There most probably are cases where patients have been awake but paralysed during the punishment which can take a very long time I think.

I will say it again, (though I do not think that lethal injection is a adequate punishment for someone who is (mostly) a very sick, perverted or unhappy person who would rather die than stay alive), if someon had raped and killed my children I would definitely want them to suffer a maximum amount :mad

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I wish you'd offer more.

That statement is the very reason that abortion is legal.

We don't know WHEN abortion is taking a life.

Regardless of what ANYBODY feels, the fact of the matter is that there is a certain point where the baby has life. And we don't know that point.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it legal to abort ONLY before the baby is recognizable as human shape? It's either that or until it takes it's first breath that it is alive.

Currently I think it is based on whether or not they can feel pain, so they will not feel the abortion.

 

[The Joker]

Currently I think it is based on whether or not they can feel pain, so they will not feel the abortion.

Oh really?

I guess that makes sense, because for them to feel pain they have to be alive.