physical proof that god doesn't exsist.

lonemeditater said:
Satan is not a part of people. People aren't forced to do bad things, we're only have to endure bad things and temptation. Since the fall of Adam, Satan has been the ruler of this world >_>. We suffer because of Adam's mistake, but we're not forced to repeat it. We don't have to do bad things, it's just in our nature. =/

Edit: Bad things happen because man was weak and lost the earth to Satan.
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Not trying to come down hard on you but...
Your statement is gross simplification and fabrication of the world we exist in. No, we are not forced, we are tempted, that is true, but the temptation is created by our scheming minds when presented with normal everyday situations. It does not take a devil to create opportunities in life to be good or bad.

I'm sorry but I feel that, anyone who accepts Adam and Eve as literal gospel likes believing in tall tales to keep themselves in line. What is bad is the story of Adam and Eve is one of the weakest parts of the Bible that screams sexism and completely eradicates the concept of a fair and just, loving God, but instead reveals him to be a petty, mean spirited entity, not worthy of spiritual leadership. It's the type of gobbledegook, that defies logical thinking on the part of the believers.

Instead of blaming the boogieman, I'd be much happier with a God who lets us live our lives with a purpose, and the purpose is to present us with opportunities to improve ourselves. That is not the act of a vengeful, unforgiving, or petty or God and is a great opportunity. But who is to say that is not the case? I see a world where this is true. Do you actually see the world as the human race being punished because Adam and Eve failed to follow the rules and Satan has taken over or were you just speaking figuratively?
 
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So what you're pretty much saying is that you make god up to be whatever you think you want him to be? Dont you think other people who also have zero evidence of him too have as much claim that god is how they make him up to be is the answer too?
 
It's make believe. It might be nice to think there's a superdaddy who watches over us, but ever too often it seems like these people have a hard time distinguishing between reality and imagination. And thats when people will suffer.
 
lonemeditater said:
Satan is not a part of people. People aren't forced to do bad things, we're only have to endure bad things and temptation. Since the fall of Adam, Satan has been the ruler of this world >_>. We suffer because of Adam's mistake, but we're not forced to repeat it. We don't have to do bad things, it's just in our nature. =/

Edit: Bad things happen because man was weak and lost the earth to Satan.
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Oh dear lord no! Adam should have never listened to that evil talking snake...!
 
Minor Axis said:
Not trying to come down hard on you but...
Your statement is gross simplification and fabrication of the world we exist in. No, we are not forced, we are tempted, that is true, but the temptation is created by our scheming minds when presented with normal everyday situations. It does not take a devil to create opportunities in life to be good or bad.

I'm sorry but I feel that, anyone who accepts Adam and Eve as literal gospel likes believing in tall tales to keep themselves in line. What is bad is the story of Adam and Eve is one of the weakest parts of the Bible that screams sexism and completely eradicates the concept of a fair and just, loving God, but instead reveals him to be a petty, mean spirited entity, not worthy of spiritual leadership. It's the type of gobbledegook, that defies logical thinking on the part of the believers.

Instead of blaming the boogieman, I'd be much happier with a God who lets us live our lives with a purpose, and the purpose is to present us with opportunities to improve ourselves. That is not the act of a vengeful, unforgiving, or petty or God and is a great opportunity. But who is to say that is not the case? I see a world where this is true. Do you actually see the world as the human race being punished because Adam and Eve failed to follow the rules and Satan has taken over or were you just speaking figuratively?
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I cede
 
Peter Parka said:
So what you're pretty much saying is that you make god up to be whatever you think you want him to be? Dont you think other people who also have zero evidence of him too have as much claim that god is how they make him up to be is the answer too?
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I don't have any concrete beliefs, I'm pretty open to suggestion, but there are some specific premises in the Bible that are very easy to debate. And I'm gonna apologize to lonemeditater.

lonemeditater said:
I cede
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My apologies to you. My intention was not to spring a trap on you and you don't have to "cede", just tell me I'm full of it. :) I can't prove there is or is not the Devil, but over the years I have listen to the teachings of the church, at one time was a member of the Presbyterian Church and I just don't care for how good and evil is portrayed. I sincerely believe the good and evil that exists on this Earth resides within ourselves, the human race. I will admit there could be an external entity that is responsible for evil and temptation, I just don't see any compelling evidence for it, while I see much evidence for the evil that resides in the human race. I guess it all boils down to where and how you want to assign blame. And for some reason, the story of Adam and Eve gets me going. I'll try to keep that in check in the future.
 
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