Penn & Teller: The War on Drugs

[TheTinGirl]

Beats me why they would have done that.



Ya it kinda sucks eh. I live in the " farming belt " on the outskirts of Abbotsford and one of the last murders took place about a mile away right off the main road that I use at least twice a day. I didn't see the body but I did see a lot of blood that was left on the road. I suppose the guy fell on a slippery slug while he was out walking his dog cuz drug related crime just doesn't happen round these here parts. Hummmm... walking the dog in the middle of the night is kinda odd but I suppose it could happen.

That remark makes it sound like you believe all crime is drug related?
Most of the crime in my crappy little part of the capitol were actually over women (I guess the guys over there are possessive, which is why I stayed inside), should we all be shot down?
This kind of thinking doesn't make any sense to me.
There are a million reasons a person could be murdered... what leads you to believe it was a drug related crime?

 

[TheTinGirl]

And am I crazy or when you quoted Edgray did it say that I said his post? XD Odd.

 

[edgray]

And am I crazy or when you quoted Edgray did it say that I said his post? XD Odd.

he did! we're interchangeable it seems.

 

[TheTinGirl]

Meh we basically have the same stance here anyway I just thought it was kinda funny. xD

 

[Guyzerr]

And am I crazy or when you quoted Edgray did it say that I said his post? XD Odd.

It is odd because I did quote Ed. I did not put your name into it. Beats me....

 

[Guyzerr]

That remark makes it sound like you believe all crime is drug related?

Please don't put words in my mouth cuz Ed already does a good enough job.

No I don't believe that for a minute nor did I elude to it.

Most of the crime in my crappy little part of the capitol were actually over women (I guess the guys over there are possessive, which is why I stayed inside), should we all be shot down?
This kind of thinking doesn't make any sense to me.

Then don't twist what I'm saying.

There are a million reasons a person could be murdered... what leads you to believe it was a drug related crime?

Um........ cuz the cops said so. :24:

 

[Guyzerr]

Well that would be most addicts then, because addictions are expensive. You seemed to relish in the idea of killing the addicts though Guyzerr, don't try and turn back on that now

Oh I won't turn back on it. You can also skip the relish. I would prefer mine with mustard.

But your idea is simply an extension of the current war on drugs. Which is creating the problem in the first place. Remove the war on drugs, and the problem is gone. Completely. And under control. Harsher tactics don't work, that HAS been proven.

I never once mentioned a drug war. I want to see an anti-fucking drug addicted crime fucking war. Can't you get that through your thick skull?

 

[TheTinGirl]

Hmm...I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth or twist what you were saying, just trying to understand. ^_^ I apologize for the confusion.
Ya gotta be patient with me sometimes, I'm a little slow.opcorn2:

 

[Alien Allen]

So Guy I get your point about the drug abuser and crime

Do you give them a 2nd chance?

Or a 3rd?

Some it takes a bit to get truly in the gutter

I am not that naive to think everybody can turn their life around

It would take me a bit to reach your view. Unless it is violent crime. Stealing would never make it reach that level for me to think as you appear to

 

[Guyzerr]

So Guy I get your point about the drug abuser and crime

Do you give them a 2nd chance? Or a 3rd?

I'd be ok with the three strikes law because I believe everybody deserves a chance. Unfortunately this country and it's laws are not geared for it nor will it ever be.

Some it takes a bit to get truly in the gutter

I'm sure you meant it takes a lot to get out of the gutter and I agree with that. It's very easy to get in the gutter but it takes a lot of courage, willpower and stamina to get out of it.

I am not that naive to think everybody can turn their life around

I hope that was a slip as well because I believe everybody can turn their life around with a little help but first it starts from within.

It would take me a bit to reach your view. Unless it is violent crime. Stealing would never make it reach that level for me to think as you appear to

Well each to their own. I'm taking the extreme position for a few reasons. First and foremost it's because I truly am sick and tired of what I see happening in this area. It's hideous. Secondly, I thought I would stir up a bit of shit and to that end I succeeded. Do I still believe in what I said? Yes I do.

What surprises me about some of the posts in this thread is nobody has agreed with me that it's getting out of hand... not one person has taken a route other than being on the side of the dope-heads. That's something I can't wrap my head around.

There are safe injection sites in this province and my fucking hard earned tax $$ are used to fund them. I'm opposed to it. Why? I would rather see my $$ spent towards getting the fuckers off drugs.... but oh no we can't have that because it takes their rights away. Gimme a fucking break.

Here's a bit O'fun...

AA you know I used to sell cars on " the strip " until three years ago. Well one evening about 7pm two druggies are hiding on the side of our building doing what? You guessed it.. shooting up. Anywhoo the boss called the cops and about a 1/2 hour later two cars show up. A male cop gets out of his car as does a female from the other one. The boss points in the direction where these lowlifes are doing their thing so off saunter the cops. As they round the bend the male cop says " Jonh & Heather ( real names forgotten ) you know better than to be doing that here. " wtf... they knew them by name! It took at least another 1/2 hour before the druggies had enough strength to get up and stumble off the property. No going to jail, no ride out of town... just mozzie along little doggies and get right back at what you're doing somewhere else. Yup... drugs are a real value added benefit so lets encourage it all we can.

 

[BornReady]

What surprises me about some of the posts in this thread is nobody has agreed with me that it's getting out of hand... not one person has taken a route other than being on the side of the dope-heads. That's something I can't wrap my head around.

I am in favor of legalizing drugs but not because I am on the side of drug users. I want to legalize drugs because I hate seeing drug dealers get rich from the misfortune of others. Supporting the war on drugs is supporting the drug pushers. They are the ones who profit from it. Killing the drug pushers doesn't help. Someone will quickly take their place because it is so dam profitable. The simple truth is prohibition doesn't work.

I oppose drug related crime. But that's because I oppose crime. If someone steals from me, I won't care why. I want him punished. No one is suggesting that criminals should not be punished.

Some people can use drugs responsibly (well maybe responsibly isn't the right word. But without harming anyone but them self). They should be left alone. It's not your right or the government's right to tell them how to live. Others may commit crimes. They should be dealt with harshly. But, and this is important, they should not be punished for using drugs. They should be punished for the crime they committed.

 

[Francis]

Wait a second. Was that a jab at me ?

I didn't pick the fight here.. I did make some points and did not take sides.. I have said in the past I am a pacifist and I am damn sure that if I would support any side someone would jump up and question my past statements..

I support taxation of drugs only because I believe it would take it out of the hands of the drug lords and put some money into the system that so badly needs it due to government inaction.

For me the only benefit is for my taxes to go down..

I really don't believe like many here that it will change the crime rate, I don't see that changing up or down. It would perhaps lower the amount of people in jails that don't belong there for possession, which in my mind should have never been a crime, only a fineable offence.. Trafficking on the other hand is another issue..

However with so many hands in the pot, including government / enforcement officials, I don't expect our present laws to change soon as the system create constant ways to keep this great underground economy, that depends on the present structure for anyone, to allow it to be changed soon. Anyone believing officials care about the druggies are right.. They care about them depending on those drugs for many more years to come..

 

[edgray]

Oh I won't turn back on it. You can also skip the relish. I would prefer mine with mustard.

I never once mentioned a drug war. I want to see an anti-fucking drug addicted crime fucking war. Can't you get that through your thick skull?

no need to resort to insults.

the point is, YOU ARE SUPPORTING PROHIBITION. As such, you are SUPPORTING the crime it brings with it. It's such a simple concept, everyone else here grasps it, why can't you?

 

[Codrus]

i don't see someone saying i have a thick skull as an insult....i see it as fact,...but that's just me

 

[Guyzerr]

Some people can use drugs responsibly (well maybe responsibly isn't the right word. But without harming anyone but them self). They should be left alone. It's not your right or the government's right to tell them how to live. Others may commit crimes. They should be dealt with harshly. But, and this is important, they should not be punished for using drugs. They should be punished for the crime they committed.

That pretty much sums up what I've been saying from the start.

 

[edgray]

That pretty much sums up what I've been saying from the start.

thats' all well and good but it doesn't solve the problem, the crimes will continue. Wouldn't you want to stop them altogether??

 

[Guyzerr]

no need to resort to insults.

It wasn't an insult. If it was I would make it abundantly clear and I wouldn't be nice about it either.

the point is, YOU ARE SUPPORTING PROHIBITION. As such, you are SUPPORTING the crime it brings with it. It's such a simple concept, everyone else here grasps it, why can't you?

Now I really want to throw an insult at you because you still haven't gotten the message that I don't want to prohibit anyone the right to use drugs. I will refrain from doing so because I'm a nice guy on Fridays. To that end you and I are finished in this thread because I don't appreciate anyone putting words in my mouth or twisting things when I've made it very clear where I stand.

 

[Guyzerr]

i don't see someone saying i have a thick skull as an insult....i see it as fact,...but that's just me

It looks like we're on the same page with that one.

 

[dt3]

Hey Guy, do you think making drugs legal would stop drug-related crime? Maybe you answered that earlier, but I'm lazy today

 

[Guyzerr]

Hey Guy, do you think making drugs legal would stop drug-related crime? Maybe you answered that earlier, but I'm lazy today

Nope I do not believe that for one second.