Penn & Teller: The War on Drugs

[Accountable]

I've had my 3 free months of Showtime offer for almost 3 months now. I saw Penn & Teller on the listing, figured it was a magic show, and watched something else.

If I'd only known!

Anywho, the War On Drugs is just like the War on Immigration. Somebody's making out like bandits; otherwise it would be over by now.

 

[Alien Allen]

I've had my 3 free months of Showtime offer for almost 3 months now. I saw Penn & Teller on the listing, figured it was a magic show, and watched something else.

If I'd only known!

Anywho, the War On Drugs is just like the War on Immigration. Somebody's making out like bandits; otherwise it would be over by now.

You were not familiar with them?

I saw them in Vegas several years ago. It was well worth the money. Very clever guys.

 

[TheTinGirl]

I've seen seasons 1-7...never got to see their vegas show ...would love to though!

 

[Accountable]

You were not familiar with them?

I saw them in Vegas several years ago. It was well worth the money. Very clever guys.

I knew they were magicians. I thought the show was some kind of "reveal the trick behind the magic" show.
I had heard about Penn's political views but never made the connection.

 

[Alien Allen]

I knew they were magicians. I thought the show was some kind of "reveal the trick behind the magic" show.
I had heard about Penn's political views but never made the connection.

He has been on some tv talk shows discussing his libertarianism

and they do some pretty impressive stuff as far as magic

The show we went to they finished up by claiming they were naked below the waist with a towel in front. They had some little old lady come up on stage. It was hilarious. When done they went out into the exit hall way and did a meet and greet people as they were leaving. Somebody asked them if they were really naked. Penn pulled up his T-shirt and yup he was. :24:

 

[BornReady]

Did Teller talk to people too?

 

[Meirionnydd]

Both you and Meirionnydd don't live anywhere near the area I do so all the stats you guys dig up mean absolutely nothing to me. I've seen the property crime rate go up and I've also seen the murder rate go up. That's reality and it's because of the drug trade, the users and all the shit they bring into the mix.

Have you personally seen the murder and property crime rate increase in your area? If not, what is your primary source of obtaining this sort of information which would lead you to this conclusion?

I'm not going to play the politically correct angle just to satisfy a bunch of bleeding hearts nor do I want to listen to the shit that's spewed out of their mouths. I'm a solid contributing member of society that has a legitimate reason to get out of bed every morning and I expect the same from those around me. If a person is too weak to be part of that action then fuck 'em. I don't have the patience or tolerance and to be perfectly frank I never will.

If you or anyone else thinks you'll change my mind you might as well give up because it won't ever happen. That you can take to the bank.

Speaking of political correctness. Crime is the only political issue that politicians strive to not appeal to political correctness, 'getting tough' on crime are the type of policies that are usually encouraged. It is extremely rare to see a mainstream politician actively promoting a more compassionate approach to crime and offending.

 

[Guyzerr]

Have you personally seen the murder and property crime rate increase in your area? If not, what is your primary source of obtaining this sort of information which would lead you to this conclusion?

Yes I have seen it increase. I live in the murder capital of Canada. How's that for a stat? :24: You can Google it if you like.

Speaking of political correctness. Crime is the only political issue that politicians strive to not appeal to political correctness, 'getting tough' on crime are the type of policies that are usually encouraged. It is extremely rare to see a mainstream politician actively promoting a more compassionate approach to crime and offending.

I live in Canada where political correctness IS the name of the game when it comes to crime. Our legal system is flawed beyond belief. Canada is a place where the criminals get a slap on the wrist and sent back to whence they came. Anytime a bill is introduced to get tough on crime it's overturned because the bleeding hearts want to give 'em all another chance, and another chance and another chance. How many chances does one have to get before they get the message. Simplify it and use a bullet. That will spread the message.

My wife had her purse stolen at work by a fucking drug addict 3 years ago. Within 1/2 hour with the help of Visa I tracked her to a gas station where " she " attempted to but a pile of stuff with my wife's credit card. The whole transaction was caught on cctv. I informed the police and those fuckers never even bothered to go and follow up on it. It was that day when my attitude changed from " oh those poor people " to " fuck 'em ".

 

[Guyzerr]

That's beyond absurd. You see a problem, whine about it, yet refuse to try and tackle it? Then I hope you enjoy your property crime and murder rates because clearly underneath it all you must love it otherwise you'd want to do something about it.

Ed you gotta get the message... I do want to solve the problem.... with a box of bullets. If someone get caught doing a drug related crime it's over for them. Problem solved for him and we move on to the next one.

 

[edgray]

Ed you gotta get the message... I do want to solve the problem.... with a box of bullets. If someone get caught doing a drug related crime it's over for them. Problem solved for him and we move on to the next one.

murder in retaliation for a drug related crime? that's not solving a problem, that's just killing someone. Killing someone. Murdering someone. Murdering someone who themselves are the victims of the prohibition system you support. For what? Perhaps a little burglary?

I think you need help.

 

[Meirionnydd]

Yes I have seen it increase. I live in the murder capital of Canada. How's that for a stat? :24: You can Google it if you like.

I checked, and to my expectation, the homicide rate in Canada has simply fluctuated over the past 4 years, including in your home province. Also, if you look back to the 1970's, there has been a continuing downward trend in Canada's homicide rate to the present.

I suppose you've answered my question though, the label 'murder capital of Canada' was given to Winnipeg by various media outlets (for a whopping 26 homicides!), which is obviously where you get your information from...

 

[Francis]

I checked, and to my expectation, the homicide rate in Canada has simply fluctuated over the past 4 years, including in your home province. Also, if you look back to the 1970's, there has been a continuing downward trend in Canada's homicide rate to the present.

I suppose you've answered my question though, the label 'murder capital of Canada' was given to Winnipeg by various media outlets (for a whopping 26 homicides!), which is obviously where you get your information from...

I think you didn't look hard enough..

Not to take Guyzerr side but I live next door to him in a City just as bad..

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/53777--murder-capital-of-canada-abbotsford

 

[TheTinGirl]

I think you didn't look hard enough..

Not to take Guyzerr side but I live next door to him in a City just as bad..

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/53777--murder-capital-of-canada-abbotsford

Did they really need to put the toe tag picture with a 1$ dollar sign in the corner?
Really?

Sorry to hear of the crappy crime rate, I lived in Harrisburg and on our block three people got shot in the six months I lived there. I know it's unpleasant. <3

 

[Francis]

Did they really need to put the toe tag picture with a 1$ dollar sign in the corner?
Really?

Sorry to hear of the crappy crime rate, I lived in Harrisburg and on our block three people got shot in the six months I lived there. I know it's unpleasant. <3

I know :thumbdown. Sorry it was the fastest article I could find as I am working..

 

[Guyzerr]

I checked, and to my expectation, the homicide rate in Canada has simply fluctuated over the past 4 years,

It always fluctuates in Canada. So what?

including in your home province.

I'm not talking about the province, I'm talking about a specific area.

Also, if you look back to the 1970's, there has been a continuing downward trend in Canada's homicide rate to the present.

That might be the case for Canada as a whole but in my specific area it's going up and that's my concern.

I suppose you've answered my question though,

I have answered your question but you haven't gotten the message.

the label 'murder capital of Canada' was given to Winnipeg by various media outlets (for a whopping 26 homicides!), which is obviously where you get your information from...

To enlighten you I lived in Winnipeg when it was the murder capital of Canada but that's old news. Maybe you want to dig just a little deeper for more current stats.

 

[Guyzerr]

Did they really need to put the toe tag picture with a 1$ dollar sign in the corner?
Really?

Beats me why they would have done that.

Sorry to hear of the crappy crime rate, I lived in Harrisburg and on our block three people got shot in the six months I lived there. I know it's unpleasant. <3

Ya it kinda sucks eh. I live in the " farming belt " on the outskirts of Abbotsford and one of the last murders took place about a mile away right off the main road that I use at least twice a day. I didn't see the body but I did see a lot of blood that was left on the road. I suppose the guy fell on a slippery slug while he was out walking his dog cuz drug related crime just doesn't happen round these here parts. Hummmm... walking the dog in the middle of the night is kinda odd but I suppose it could happen.

 

[Guyzerr]

murder in retaliation for a drug related crime? that's not solving a problem, that's just killing someone. Killing someone. Murdering someone. Murdering someone who themselves are the victims of the prohibition system you support. For what? Perhaps a little burglary?

I think you need help.

It's not murder when it's state sanctioned Ed.

Here's something else I would do. I'm sure you'll be grossed out a bit Ed so you might not want to read it. Consider yourself warned.

Public execution in the middle of the main drag. Then tie the waste to a telephone pole and hang a sign around his neck that says " I was a lowlife drug user and committed a pile of crimes against decent citizens. I promise I'll never do it again ". Leave it in place for a week to send a strong message to other lowlifes. Dispose of as you see fit thereafter. One or two of those and I betcha we wouldn't have to lock our doors anymore.

 

[edgray]

It's not murder when it's state sanctioned Ed.

Here's something else I would do. I'm sure you'll be grossed out a bit Ed so you might not want to read it. Consider yourself warned.

Public execution in the middle of the main drag. Then tie the waste to a telephone pole and hang a sign around his neck that says " I was a lowlife drug user and committed a pile of crimes against decent citizens. I promise I'll never do it again ". Leave it in place for a week to send a strong message to other lowlifes. Dispose of as you see fit thereafter. One or two of those and I betcha we wouldn't have to lock our doors anymore.

Or maybe just save the necessity to execute people by removing prohibition and have an enlightened attitude and a better less hate-filled society.

Still can't get over the fact that you'd happily execute people who themselves need help. Crazy. Thankfully though, justice systems are designed to keep emotions like that out of it.

 

[Guyzerr]

Or maybe just save the necessity to execute people by removing prohibition and have an enlightened attitude and a better less hate-filled society.

Like I said many times before they can do all the drugs they want, just don't commit a crime to pay for them. It's a simple concept.

Still can't get over the fact that you'd happily execute people who themselves need help.

See above with this added. I never said I would be happy. I would be relieved to get an offender off the streets though. When I say offender I'm not talking about a drug user either. I'm talking about someone that wants to support their habit with the proceeds of crime.

As far as help is concerned I have no objection to my tax $$ going towards a rehab program. I think drug addicts need all the help they can get to become clean. I wouldn't expect them to pay for it cuz I know exactly from where the $$ would come if they had to. See Ed... I do have a soft spot.

Crazy. Thankfully though, justice systems are designed to keep emotions like that out of it.

Well Ed I'm not crazy nor am I emotional about it. I didn't always have this attitude. Over the last 5 years I became a convert because I see that nothing else works.

 

[edgray]

Like I said many times before they can do all the drugs they want, just don't commit a crime to pay for them. It's a simple concept.

They wouldn't have to if the prohibition was removed. That's the simple concept. Until you recognise the need for that to happen, you're happily supporting the system that creates the problem. By keeping prohibition, the power and money is still in the hands of dangerous gangsters, as is the lives of the addicts. The drugs are ridiculously expensive, so crime is necessitated by prohibition. It really creates the entire scenario, from the addicts themselves, through to the gangland murders and the innocent bystanders that get killed through to the crimes committed against regular citizens to fund expensive addictions.

LSee above with this added. I never said I would be happy. I would be relieved to get an offender off the streets though. When I say offender I'm not talking about a drug user either. I'm talking about someone that wants to support their habit with the proceeds of crime.

Well that would be most addicts then, because addictions are expensive. You seemed to relish in the idea of killing the addicts though Guyzerr, don't try and turn back on that now.

As far as help is concerned I have no objection to my tax $$ going towards a rehab program. I think drug addicts need all the help they can get to become clean. I wouldn't expect them to pay for it cuz I know exactly from where the $$ would come if they had to. See Ed... I do have a soft spot.

Well that's good to see But if you removed prohibition the tax raised from drug sales could fund all of that meaning your tax dollars wouldn't need to get used for that. Both you and your country would save money, and possibly even profit enough from a legal drug trade to fund other needs in society.

Well Ed I'm not crazy nor am I emotional about it. I didn't always have this attitude. Over the last 5 years I became a convert because I see that nothing else works.

But your idea is simply an extension of the current war on drugs. Which is creating the problem in the first place. Remove the war on drugs, and the problem is gone. Completely. And under control. Harsher tactics don't work, that HAS been proven.