Penn & Teller: The War on Drugs

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edgray

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Yeah I'm not sure where they got their facts on heroin from...
If Heroin now is indeed 90% pure, that's a GOOD thing! It means there's less rat poison and shit in there.

However, I truley doubt that, because a black market is still a market - and people can't make a profit selling heroin that's 90% pure for $5...

perhaps its considerably cheaper in the US? I can't imagine so tho...
 
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Guyzerr, you have a problem with the scumbag drug dealers and rightly so. Surely then legalising drugs would get rid of them and put the supply into the hands of more responsible and easier to regulate suppliers?
 

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So legalise the drugs, you take the money and power out of the dealers, and remove the need for addicts to be criminals. You will then no longer have to fear drug addicts stealing from you.
I understand that concept and still take issue with it for two reasons....

- If the drugs are not free the addicts have to get money from somewhere to buy it. Considering most addicts don't or won't work to earn the dough to support their habit they turn to crime.

- I absolutely refuse to voluntarily have my hard earned tax $$ go towards paying for some fuck up's drugs.
 

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I understand that concept and still take issue with it for two reasons....

- If the drugs are not free the addicts have to get money from somewhere to buy it. Considering most addicts don't or won't work to earn the dough to support their habit they turn to crime.

- I absolutely refuse to voluntarily have my hard earned tax $$ go towards paying for some fuck up's drugs.

as far as pot people could grow it themselves

you legalize it and distribute it as booze is then you tax it and make money off it. The money gained from the taxes and the money saved by not wasting a war on drugs would be staggering.

The main thing is to take the profit out of it for dealers though. There would be no money in it anymore for them. Oh sure they could still try but the market would not be the same.

You will always have the users that are losers. The thing is making criminals now out of people that are users but not abusers. Unless you are of the mind that all users are abusers in which case I would say you are full of shit :D
 

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as far as pot people could grow it themselves

you legalize it and distribute it as booze is then you tax it and make money off it. The money gained from the taxes and the money saved by not wasting a war on drugs would be staggering.

The main thing is to take the profit out of it for dealers though. There would be no money in it anymore for them. Oh sure they could still try but the market would not be the same.

You will always have the users that are losers. The thing is making criminals now out of people that are users but not abusers. Unless you are of the mind that all users are abusers in which case I would say you are full of shit :D
FFS Prick this thread is not... I repeat... not about pot!
 

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I understand that concept and still take issue with it for two reasons....

- If the drugs are not free the addicts have to get money from somewhere to buy it. Considering most addicts don't or won't work to earn the dough to support their habit they turn to crime.

- I absolutely refuse to voluntarily have my hard earned tax $$ go towards paying for some fuck up's drugs.


They do that whether it's legal or not, only difference being it will be a bit cheaper for them if it's legal and at least the tax from it can go back into society, and more money will be saved by avoiding the need to lock up drug dealers and users, surely that makes things slightly better, not worse?
 
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If we ever get around to legalizing weed, within a few months I will have MoonOwl's MajicSwampWeed for sale.... I have 30 acres of Swamp that is just waiting for it's chance to become a tax-producing source of income...

But that would be intelligent and our government doesn't do intelligent..... In the meantime, anyone wanna buy some GatorPoo?:D:24:
 

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I understand that concept and still take issue with it for two reasons....

- If the drugs are not free the addicts have to get money from somewhere to buy it. Considering most addicts don't or won't work to earn the dough to support their habit they turn to crime.

- I absolutely refuse to voluntarily have my hard earned tax $$ go towards paying for some fuck up's drugs.

Point 1:
The drugs of choice for the addicts, heroin and crack, could be realistically supplied as part of the health service. The cost of this could easily be covered by taxing of all the drugs that would be available for purchase or by simply taking the money wasted on the "war on drugs" and putting it to good use rehabilitating addicts.

Point 2:
What you're saying is that you'd rather the current, totally ineffective and pointless war on drugs to continue rather than come up with a sensible solution that lessens the impact on society dramatically?

At the end of the day Guyzerr, it's a no-brainer. On one side you've got keeping drugs illegal:
  • Expensive and ineffective War on Drugs
  • Masses of drug-related crime (some estimates in the UK place it as much as 75% of all crime)
  • Dangerous substances on the streets
  • The profits in the hands of dangerous criminals

The other side you've got:
  • A safer approach to drug use
  • Removing the money from the hands of dangerous criminals
  • Increased tax revenue
  • The possibility for REAL drug education, not the bullshit they spout right now.
  • Massively reduced or eradicated drug-related crime.

Even if it costs you, say, $5 a month in extra taxes, do you not think that would be worth it?
 

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Even if it costs you, say, $5 a month in extra taxes, do you not think that would be worth it?

I guess I haven't made myself clear enough so I'll try one more time. I do not nor will I ever have any sympathy for a drug dealer or user. Period.... end of story.

I would rather my 5 bucks go towards the cost of a box of bullets. There wouldn't be any cost to dispense said bullets because there are enough good people that would be happy to use em. You could also grab another 5 bucks a month off me for the cost of digging a pit and throwing the waste into it.
 

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I guess I haven't made myself clear enough so I'll try one more time. I do not nor will I ever have any sympathy for a drug dealer or user. Period.... end of story.

I would rather my 5 bucks go towards the cost of a box of bullets. There wouldn't be any cost to dispense said bullets because there are enough good people that would be happy to use em. You could also grab another 5 bucks a month off me for the cost of digging a pit and throwing the waste into it.

Thank God you're in the minority. That is sick.
 

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Thank God you're in the minority. That is sick.
I don't think it's sick to want to live in a crime free society fueled by hard drugs. I think it's sick not to want a safe environment and with hard drugs it just isn't possible.

- I remember the days when a person didn't have to lock their house or car.
- I remember the days when it was extremely rare to hear about a murder.
- I remember the days when a person didn't fear going out at night.
- I remember the days when one didn't have to worry about their kids doing hard drugs.
- What I remember first and foremost today and everyday is that those days are gone forever.
 

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Well...this society you speak of does in fact exist!
It's called Blaine PA.
You don't have to lock your car or door because there's no one around.
You won't hear about a murder because there's no one to talk to.
You won't fear going out at night because there's no where to go.
You won't have to worry about your kids doing drugs, because you'll have to home school them.

Sorry I had to. XD

But on a serious note, crime is a part of every American's daily life.
I really don't think drugs have as much to do with it...
Legalizing them would just take people out of the position of looking for the scary drug dealers on the street and getting a bag of dish washing detergent, putting it in a pipe and dying. The people who want to do drugs, are still doing them.

That's just my humble opinion. :)
 
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