Penn & Teller: The War on Drugs

[Francis]

I don't think it's sick to want to live in a crime free society fueled by hard drugs. I think it's sick not to want a safe environment and with hard drugs it just isn't possible.

- I remember the days when a person didn't have to lock their house or car.
- I remember the days when it was extremely rare to hear about a murder.
- I remember the days when a person didn't fear going out at night.
- I remember the days when one didn't have to worry about their kids doing hard drugs.
- What I remember first and foremost today and everyday is that those days are gone forever.

Fuck your old if you can remember that far back... :24::sarcasm

 

[Guyzerr]

Fuck your old if you can remember that far back... :24::sarcasm

Today I feel really old. The closer I get to the weekend the older I feel. Come Friday at 11:00 am my weekend starts and I feel a hell of a lot younger.

 

[Francis]

Today I feel really old. The closer I get to the weekend the older I feel. Come Friday at 11:00 am my weekend starts and I feel a hell of a lot younger.

Reminds of when we went to the Dinosaur museum in Drumheller AB and my now ex said to my kid, watch Dad set off the Alarm as he tries to escape.. :willy_nilly:

 

[Guyzerr]

Reminds of when we went to the Dinosaur museum in Drumheller AB and my now ex said to my kid, watch Dad set off the Alarm as he tries to escape.. :willy_nilly:

Fuck you're really old if you remember dinosaurs.

 

[Alien Allen]

fuck you're really old if you remember dinosaurs. :d

:24::24::24::24:

 

[Alien Allen]

I don't think it's sick to want to live in a crime free society fueled by hard drugs. I think it's sick not to want a safe environment and with hard drugs it just isn't possible.

- I remember the days when a person didn't have to lock their house or car.
- I remember the days when it was extremely rare to hear about a murder.
- I remember the days when a person didn't fear going out at night.
- I remember the days when one didn't have to worry about their kids doing hard drugs.
- What I remember first and foremost today and everyday is that those days are gone forever.

Drugs were still illegal back then

It is far more complicated than just blaming it on drugs.

I think the destruction of the family unit combined with television has a lot more to do with this. There are no neighborhoods and respect for others is no longer like it was.

On that closing comment...... I will just say

Fuck off hoser

 

[TheTinGirl]

That's what I was TRYING to say...Alien Allen's thoughts are a lot clearer than mine.

Cept the fuck off hoser part. XD

 

[Alien Allen]

That's what I was TRYING to say...Alien Allen's thoughts are a lot clearer than mine.

Cept the fuck off hoser part. XD

What did you expect from a Prick

Besides Guy knows I might be kidding

 

[Francis]

What did you expect from a Prick

Besides Guy knows I might be kidding

We know you Ain't you VIP = Very Important Prick..

 

[Guyzerr]

Drugs were still illegal back then

Yes they were but I'll have you know I never stole anything to get 'em.

It is far more complicated than just blaming it on drugs.

I don't just blame it on drugs. I blame it more so on weak minded people.

I think the destruction of the family unit combined with television has a lot more to do with this. There are no neighborhoods and respect for others is no longer like it was.

And that brings us around to a " blame everyone else mentality " instead of accepting responsibility for ones own actions.

psstttt.... I knew someone would throw that in the mix.. I just didn't expect you to be the one.

On that closing comment...... I will just say

Fuck off hoser

Ok... consider me fucked off until the next time. :24:

Edit: Maybe I gotta make myself a bit more clear so here goes... I could care less if someone wants to do drugs because it's none of my business what someone does with their body. What I do care about is someone that breaks the law in order to get the cash to pay for said drugs. As far as I'm concerned I have no sympathy for them nor am I willing to show any mercy.

 

[edgray]

I don't think it's sick to want to live in a crime free society fueled by hard drugs. I think it's sick not to want a safe environment and with hard drugs it just isn't possible.

- I remember the days when a person didn't have to lock their house or car.
- I remember the days when it was extremely rare to hear about a murder.
- I remember the days when a person didn't fear going out at night.
- I remember the days when one didn't have to worry about their kids doing hard drugs.
- What I remember first and foremost today and everyday is that those days are gone forever.

no but it's certainly sick to want to put a bullet in the head of drug users and dealers when the situation could be solved easily and as a benefit to society without any bloodshed.

Drug addiction is a symptom of a damaged society. People don't set out to become drug addicts, it's a trap that prays on the helpless. Wanting to kill a fellow human being for that is just sick.

 

[Guyzerr]

no but it's certainly sick to want to put a bullet in the head of drug users and dealers when the situation could be solved easily and as a benefit to society without any bloodshed.

Drug addiction is a symptom of a damaged society. People don't set out to become drug addicts, it's a trap that prays on the helpless. Wanting to kill a fellow human being for that is just sick.

Ed you're twisting what I said again. I have no desire to see a drug addict or a dealer eliminated simply because they use. It's the fucking criminal eliment I want to see disposed of. Separate the two and you'll know where I stand.

 

[edgray]

Ed you're twisting what I said again. I have no desire to see a drug addict or a dealer eliminated simply because they use. It's the fucking criminal eliment I want to see disposed of. Separate the two and you'll know where I stand.

I'm not twisting anything, you're not making any sense. you oppose any kind of legalisation to deal with the problem, then you say you only have a problem with the criminal element which seeing as you don't agree with legalisation is ALL drug users inherently. You also said you'd be happy to pay for the bullets to kill these people and the graves to bury them in.

You're gonna have to explain yourself a little better because you've totally lost me.

 

[Alien Allen]

You want to take away the criminal element then remove the lure of big money to be made selling the stuff. Pretty simple actually.

One idea floated around was to change the currency and make the old stuff no longer legal tender. You would have to exchange all your money. Given the drug trade is strictly on a cash basis it would be hard for the big dealers to get their money exchanged without it raising some big red flags

 

[Meirionnydd]

I don't think it's sick to want to live in a crime free society fueled by hard drugs. I think it's sick not to want a safe environment and with hard drugs it just isn't possible.

- I remember the days when a person didn't have to lock their house or car.
- I remember the days when it was extremely rare to hear about a murder.
- I remember the days when a person didn't fear going out at night.
- I remember the days when one didn't have to worry about their kids doing hard drugs.
- What I remember first and foremost today and everyday is that those days are gone forever.

Well, back in my day!

It's always nice to hear this, makes me think of the past several decades being a more simpler time, where crime was non-existent and we could freely travel through our neighborhoods at night without fear of being robbed.

But they really weren't.

When making these statements, people seem to gloss over the numerous failings of their own hey-days and replace them with a euphoric and rose-colored view of society 'back then'.

For starters, the murder rate has remained relatively stable throughout Western societies for the past 40 years. Unless you enjoy trudging through statistical data, the only reason why it was historically 'rare' to hear about crime or murder is because the media didn't report it as much, or certain crimes were looked at through different angles (drink drivers were historically treated by the media as individuals needing help, now they're reported as crazy and reckless).

Now the media has a hard on for crime, while crime is decreasing significantly over the past several decades, media reporting has intensified, with people actually believing that crime is on the rise, while quite obviously to the contrary.

Having your house robbed or car stolen today is also extremely rare, there is about a 0.1% of this happening to you. However, with increasing suburbanization, society has gotten more impersonal, we no longer know everyone in our neighborhood (progress is a scary thing). People also want more control over their own space too, people simply may not want to have their things stolen. I also know people who don't lock up their house, to this day.

Most people aren't fearful of going out at night either. While statistically speaking, you're more likely to be victimized at night, you're also more likely to be victimized on weekends or during summer. Just because it is dark doesn't mean that the entire criminal underworld suddenly emerges, praying upon the weak and helpless.

Drug use also happened 'back in the day', but it wasn't a behavior that was seen immoral or wrong, or at least it wasn't treated with the same revulsion as today. Drug use and drug related crime dramatically increased with the (surprise!) war on drugs. So did incarceration rates, causing a list of detrimental social and economic effects that I could write a book about.

 

[edgray]

I think Guyzerr is a victim of the mainstream media, his fear of crime seems to be totally out of touch with reality.

 

[Peter Parka]

All the old Eastenders bang on about how they left their doors unlocked and no one stole from them...course they didn't! You were such gypos you had fuck all worth stealing!

 

[edgray]

All the old Eastenders bang on about how they left their doors unlocked and no one stole from them...course they didn't! You were such gypos you had fuck all worth stealing!

:homo: :24: :24:

 

[Guyzerr]

I think Guyzerr is a victim of the mainstream media, his fear of crime seems to be totally out of touch with reality.

Both you and Meirionnydd don't live anywhere near the area I do so all the stats you guys dig up mean absolutely nothing to me. I've seen the property crime rate go up and I've also seen the murder rate go up. That's reality and it's because of the drug trade, the users and all the shit they bring into the mix.

I'm not going to play the politically correct angle just to satisfy a bunch of bleeding hearts nor do I want to listen to the shit that's spewed out of their mouths. I'm a solid contributing member of society that has a legitimate reason to get out of bed every morning and I expect the same from those around me. If a person is too weak to be part of that action then fuck 'em. I don't have the patience or tolerance and to be perfectly frank I never will.

If you or anyone else thinks you'll change my mind you might as well give up because it won't ever happen. That you can take to the bank.

 

[edgray]

Both you and Meirionnydd don't live anywhere near the area I do so all the stats you guys dig up mean absolutely nothing to me. I've seen the property crime rate go up and I've also seen the murder rate go up. That's reality and it's because of the drug trade, the users and all the shit they bring into the mix.

I'm not going to play the politically correct angle just to satisfy a bunch of bleeding hearts nor do I want to listen to the shit that's spewed out of their mouths. I'm a solid contributing member of society that has a legitimate reason to get out of bed every morning and I expect the same from those around me. If a person is too weak to be part of that action then fuck 'em. I don't have the patience or tolerance and to be perfectly frank I never will.

Thank God you're not in charge.

The solution to all of your fears is so simple, yet you refuse to acknowledge it. By supporting prohibition, you're supporting the very system that creates that mess. Remove prohibition, come up with a sensible licensing solution, problem solved.

If you or anyone else thinks you'll change my mind you might as well give up because it won't ever happen. That you can take to the bank.

That's beyond absurd. You see a problem, whine about it, yet refuse to try and tackle it? Then I hope you enjoy your property crime and murder rates because clearly underneath it all you must love it otherwise you'd want to do something about it.