Patriots In Exile Club

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Re: The Conservatives In Exile Club

So why don't you make two new threads:

The Conservatives in Exile Club--Boring (for you)

and

The Conservatives in Exile Club--Fun (for the rest of us)

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I actually started this thread....So it's both, but it had a purpose and that was not P/W

 

[Fox Mulder]

Re: The Conservatives In Exile Club

It matters when your lifetime cap is a million dollars. What's your lifetime cap?

It has everything to do with reform. We are a greedy, bloated, over charged, over taxed nation.

What I'm saying, Mulder is that the cost of healthcare is NOT comparable to what people earn! Take the cap off of insurance or lower the fricking prices so that someone who is ill won't have the worry of reaching their cap, and subsequently receiving less than excellent care afterwards because of it.

It's not like my brother (for example) is sucking funds from the Medicaid or Medicare taxpayers wallet. He pays his own insurance premiums. He's worked his ass off all of his life just like the rest of us.

And, it may not be a thread about healthcare reform, but it was brought up by the thread starter way back on page 3, I believe. So what's your beef? You'd rather me post silly cartoons than try to have an intelligent conversation?

I think you have an issue with it because your daughter wants to be a Doctor. You want to see her become wealthy, after you've paid for her schooling. If her schooling were free, would you feel the same way you do now about the cost of healthcare?

I hope you never get sick. Really.

Now go pick on Leather N Lace.

It has nothing to do with my daughter--its the same you've heard from me for years. You are asking for something that's impossible economically (you just don't understand it). We could offer free education to everyone that wants to be a doctor and the set their salaries at a relatively low amount. Its still not going to change one iota the problem your brother has (most of his cost is not related to the doctor's salary). The reason there is a cap is to control the costs of premiums. If there were no caps on healthcare insurance, then the premiums everyone pay would probably double or triple and everyone is already screaming the premiums are too high.

Again--I'm not saying their shouldn't be solutions to the problem, just saying that your solution is going to raise the cost of healthcare premiums and while we can all sympathize with your brother's situation, I can guarantee you that most Americans are only going to be concerned with their own premiums and trying to get them as low as possible.

How do you eliminate the caps on lifetime care and also lower the premiums people pay or lower the cost of healthcare overall? Again, I am NOT saying what happened is right, just trying to explain to you the problem is a lot more complex than your simplistic solution.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Re: The Conservatives In Exile Club

You keep telling yourself that.......... let me know how it turns out.

And you keep coming back for more. . . .

 

[Fox Mulder]

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Okay folks got to run--be back later.

 

[GoldDust Woman]

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The reason there is a cap is to control the costs of premiums. If there were no caps on healthcare insurance, then the premiums everyone pay would probably double or triple and everyone is already screaming the premiums are too high.

Seems to me that the same could be done with pharmaceuticals, then. Control the cost, more people get the care.

If I'm frustrating you, then explain it. Not in lawyer terms.

Premiums are high, but becoming ill is much, much worse. Say your prayers, Mulder.

 

[Fox Mulder]

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Seems to me that the same could be done with pharmaceuticals, then. Control the cost, more people get the care.

How do you control the costs? Explain to me how you do that??

I'll be back later to discuss.

 

[Alien Allen]

Re: The Conservatives In Exile Club

Seems to me that the same could be done with pharmaceuticals, then. Control the cost, more people get the care.

If I'm frustrating you, then explain it. Not in lawyer terms.

Premiums are high, but becoming ill is much, much worse. Say your prayers, Mulder.

so what is the solution??

national health care?

sounds good on paper but do we really want to turn over that big of an industry to the feds??

we are spending money unwisely

the first step in my administration would be to legalize pot and decriminalize drugs. Sell pot like booze is controlled. if somebody wants to grow their own so be it. but for the rest they would be buying a truly controlled substance that would generate taxes instead of draining the coffers and using up resources. the police could then spend their time fighting real crime.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Re: The Conservatives In Exile Club

BTW kath, I am not saying that what is happening to your brother is right and I do think there needs to be a solution to that--but it isn't anywhere near as simply a just "capping" costs--not even close.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Re: The Conservatives In Exile Club

I think the real issue is the inflated value of the care being provided.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Re: The Conservatives In Exile Club

Seems to me that the same could be done with pharmaceuticals, then. Control the cost, more people get the care.

The vast majority of precriptions are very very cheap--they are only expensive when new and that's due to the patent. But if you don't protect that patent, then no pharmacuetical company is goign to invest in research. So some of the drugs and procedures that are helping your brother would never have been developed in the first place--therein lies the dillemma.

 

[Minor Axis]

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Maybe one of you geniuses will explain why we have the most expensive health care system in the world, but not the best. Other countries supposedly have better health care statistics. I don't know for sure, just heard it on the news.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

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Maybe one of you geniuses will explain why we have the most expensive health care system in the world, but not the best. Other countries supposedly have better health care statistics. I don't know for sure, just heard it on the news.

Please read my post above


I think we have inflated costs of our healthcare, it's a tradgedy,money has become more important than medicine.

 

[Fox Mulder]

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I think the real issue is the inflated value of the care being provided.

That's a small part of the issue she's talking about. The biggest problem is that even very reasonably priced medical care can quickly escalate over a million dollar cap on lifetime benefits. There is no easy answer to that. A "premie" can easily cost a million if in the hospital for several months with many complications.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

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That's a small part of the issue she's talking about. The biggest problem is that even very reasonably priced medical care can quickly escalate over a million dollar cap on lifetime benefits. There is no easy answer to that.

It wouldn't reach that number as quick if a band-aid wasn't $150

 

[Fox Mulder]

Re: The Conservatives In Exile Club

Maybe one of you geniuses will explain why we have the most expensive health care system in the world, but not the best. Other countries supposedly have better health care statistics. I don't know for sure, just heard it on the news.

I could explain it to you, but will you listen?. First, our health care IS the best in terms of quality. Those studies you read in your liberal rags rate healthcare based on availability (and other factors), not the actual qaulity of the service provided.

And its expensive here in large part due to the fact we can't enforce patents in many areas of the world. So a company develops a drug or procedure that is protected here by patent, but isn't (or not easily enforceable) in most of the rest of the world. So it can be delivered much cheaper.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Re: The Conservatives In Exile Club

I could explain it to you, but will you listen?. First, our health care IS the best in terms of quality. Those studies you read in your liberal rags rate healthcare based on availability (and other factors), not the actual qaulity of the service provided.

And its expensive here in large part due to the fact we can't enforce patents in many areas of the world. So a company develops a drug or procedure that is protected here by patent, but isn't (or not easily enforceable) in most of the rest of the world. So it can be delivered much cheaper.

Fuck that...I say we give it away

 

[Minor Axis]

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Please read my post above


I think we have inflated costs of our healthcare, it's a tradgedy,money has become more important than medicine.

How big is the Pharmaceutical Lobby? Why is the U.S. government telling border States they can't buy their state medical program drugs in Canada? Why does a 1 night in a hospital to do a minor operation cost $16000? Having friends in high places seems good for industries and bad for regular people.

There are people in this forum who scream about universal health care, but people without insurance can go the the emergency room and be seen and someone is all ready paying for it. I tend to think it would be better to have a coherent system then what we have today.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Re: The Conservatives In Exile Club

How big is the Pharmaceutical Lobby? Why is the U.S. government telling border States they can't buy their state medical program drugs in Canada? Why does a 1 night in a hospital to do a minor operation cost $16000? Having friends in high places seems good for industries and bad for regular people.

There are people in this forum who scream about universal health care, but people without insurance can go the the emergency room and be seen and someone is all ready paying for it. I tend to think it would be better to have a coherent system then what we have today.

Hey Read a little bit of my doctrine, you'll see I'm for the abolition of lobbyists, straight across the board.

 

[Alien Allen]

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Hey Read a little bit of my doctrine, you'll see I'm for the abolition of lobbyists, straight across the board.

:thumbup :homo: :nod:

 

[Minor Axis]

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I could explain it to you, but will you listen?. First, our health care IS the best in terms of quality. Those studies you read in your liberal rags rate healthcare based on availability (and other factors), not the actual qaulity of the service provided.

And its expensive here in large part due to the fact we can't enforce patents in many areas of the world. So a company develops a drug or procedure that is protected here by patent, but isn't (or not easily enforceable) in most of the rest of the world. So it can be delivered much cheaper.

**Warning STAND BACK Propaganda Zone***

Right out of the Conservative-Make-Excuses Playbook. I've heard this before, our medical expenses are high because other countries are not paying their fair share. How about they the other countries like Canada are doing a better job of shielding their citizens from bullshit than we are?