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You're merely confused and fall back on tired name calling.

I just call a spade a spade and a conservobot a conservobot. I've heard these tired old talk radio propaganda talking points since the early 90's.


I see you also are afflicted with reading comprehension.

Seems you lack the ability to make a coherant statement. You haven't said shit that makes any sense yet.

Like these sentences below:

And yet you have no response.

How about you answering with out a fallacious response? ( Begging the question is not an answer....it is a logical fallacy......you lefties seem to do that a lot :D )

:wtf_anim: You really shouldn't try to use words bigger than your limited comprehension.

Irrelevant to my post.

Totally relevant. It goes to show you don't know what the fuck you are talking about - you are just repeating the basless shit you heard other conservobots say.

If you had any idea the revenue of unions compared to only one corporation in the Fortune 500 you would not say stupid shit about unions influence on government. Do the math before you talk about things you have no clue about.

Non sequitur.

OMFG - Do all of you bots from that other site overuse this word? :p

I'm not arguing for relief in the business sector, I'm pointing out your bogus left wing argument for supporting OWS

You're doing a piss poor job. You post articles to support your claims, but they actually refute them.

Feeling ignorant yet? :D

Lets see, so far, you have posted at least two links that refute your own claims and said some really nonsensical baseless bullshit and you ask somebody else if they feel ignorant?

Pardon me whilst I roll upon the floor laughing my ass off at you:


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To what list of entitlements are you referring?

In just the list you posted alone:
6. Healthcare for All.
8. Debt Reduction.
9. Jobs for All Americans.
10. Student Loan Forgiveness.

from the streets:
living wage
free higher education


Early colonial society wasn't based on sharing wealth.
So, how do you connect the words of Jefferson to those entitlements?
 

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I just call a spade a spade and a conservobot a conservobot. I've heard these tired old talk radio propaganda talking points since the early 90's.




Seems you lack the ability to make a coherant statement. You haven't said shit that makes any sense yet.

Like these sentences below:



:wtf_anim: You really shouldn't try to use words bigger than your limited comprehension.



Totally relevant. It goes to show you don't know what the fuck you are talking about - you are just repeating the basless shit you heard other conservobots say.

If you had any idea the revenue of unions compared to only one corporation in the Fortune 500 you would not say stupid shit about unions influence on government. Do the math before you talk about things you have no clue about.



OMFG - Do all of you bots from that other site overuse this word? :p



You're doing a piss poor job. You post articles to support your claims, but they actually refute them.



Lets see, so far, you have posted at least two links that refute your own claims and said some really nonsensical baseless bullshit and you ask somebody else if they feel ignorant?

Pardon me whilst I roll upon the floor laughing my ass off at you:


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I just call a spade a spade and a conservobot a conservobot. I've heard these tired old talk radio propaganda talking points since the early 90's.
What talking points?
I'm only pointing out the crap you believe in :D

Seems you lack the ability to make a coherant statement. You haven't said shit that makes any sense yet.
I suspect you have issues with reading comprehension.

Like these sentences below:
------> "And yet you have no response. "
Indeed. Are the words that difficult for you to comprehend?
OK....you mean the diarrhea you spewed?
Gotchya :D

-------> "How about you answering with out a fallacious response? ( Begging the question is not an answer....it is a logical fallacy......you lefties seem to do that a lot "
Indeed again. In a debate, responding to a question with a question that begs a misdirected response is a fallacy.
You lefties don't do 'logic' in this forum? :D

You really shouldn't try to use words bigger than your limited comprehension.
I see you are confused again :D


Totally relevant. It goes to show you don't know what the fuck you are talking about - you are just repeating the basless shit you heard other conservobots say.
hmmm.....looks more like I own you :D

If you had any idea the revenue of unions compared to only one corporation in the Fortune 500 you would not say stupid shit about unions influence on government.
If you had a clue, you'd realize that public sector unions and State governments are at financial odds with the majority of States facing bankruptcy from legislative commitments that bind taxpayers to the support of overly generous public sector pension plans. It's a right to work issue.
Go ahead, keep those blinkers on so you don't have to criticize the union's lobbyists for buying out legislators seeking re-election.
I just can't believe you've been so blind to this problem unless you're a part of the problem.


OMFG - Do all of you bots from that other site overuse this word?
Non-sequitur :D


You're doing a piss poor job. You post articles to support your claims, but they actually refute them.
sigh!......reading comprehension issues.

Did I ever mention I approve of raising the standards in education? :D


Lets see, so far, you have posted at least two links that refute your own claims and said some really nonsensical baseless bullshit and you ask somebody else if they feel ignorant?

Pardon me whilst I roll upon the floor laughing my ass off at you:
And yet you gave no logic to that claim.
I would laugh my ass off if your rebuttal wasn't such a sad effort :)
 

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And how do you relate his words to the anarchy presented by the OWS and their list of proposed entitlements?
Anarchy? What anarchy? and entitlements? If you are referring to
1. Elimination of the Corporate State.
2. Abrogation of the "Citizens United" Case.
3. Elimination of All Private Benefits and "Perks" to Politicians.
4. Term Limits.
5. A Fair Tax Code.
6. Healthcare for All.
7. Protection of the Planet.
8. Debt Reduction.
9. Jobs for All Americans.
10. Student Loan Forgiveness.
11. Immigration Reform and Improved Border Security.
12. Ending of Perpetual War for Profit.
13. Reforming Public Education.
Hardly a list of entitlements. Oh, I see a few entitlements thrown in but by and far this is a list of issues that need to be addressed-changed/reformed.

In the quote I shared by Jefferson, he is writing about Shays Rebellion and how that was portrayed by the gazetteers hired by the British Ministry "to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves". I draw that as a parallel to the OWS movement and I believe OWS is not an anarchist movement anymore than was Shay's Rebellion but it is expedient to the powers that be to ensure it is portrayed as such.

We all know that Jefferson understood when governments no longer represent the people, the people have a responsibility to reign in their govt. and that he addressed this in The Declaration of Independence
Thomas Jefferson said:
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness
Thomas Jefferson said:
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


A little history-
In 1786 New England farmers, oppressed by taxation, launched a series of rebellions against state authorities. Beginning with popular protests at town meetings, the demonstrations spread to local courthouses and legislatures. The statehouse in Hew Hampshire was quietly surrounded, guards posted, and the legislators held inside for some hours until released unharmed. The protests culminated with the storming of the arsenal in Springfield in January of 1787.

..In a Christmas Eve 1786 letter from Paris he [Jefferon]wrote: "The commotions which have taken place in America, insofar as they are known to me, offer nothing threatening. They are a proof that the people have liberty enough, and I would not wish them less than they have. If the happiness of the mass of the people can be secured at the expence of a little tempest now and then, or even of a little blood, it will be a precious purchase. Malo libertum periculusam quam quietam servitutem" (I prefer the dangers of liberty to the calm of servitude)..http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/culture/history/595-shays-rebellion-and-the-spirit-of-freedom.html


Jefferson made his observations of Shay's Rebellion from France during a time when the winds of revolution were blowing. He received news from home and from Europe and probably had a more objective view as he could compare and contrast. Of Shay's rebellion, Jefferson wrote
Thomas Jefferson said:
The late rebellion in Massachusetts has given more alarm than I think it should have done.
Thomas Jefferson said:
The people are the only censors of their governors: and even their errors will tend to keep these to the true principles of their institution…The basis of our government being the opinions of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right…Cherish therefore the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention.
I think Jefferson would be very supportive of the Tea Party and OWS (and would probably urge them to join together) and he would not be supportive of our militarized police force.
 

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In just the list you posted alone:
6. Healthcare for All.
8. Debt Reduction.
9. Jobs for All Americans.
10. Student Loan Forgiveness.

from the streets:
living wage
free higher education


Early colonial society wasn't based on sharing wealth.
So, how do you connect the words of Jefferson to those entitlements?
I've not posted any lists. I have quoted the list previously posted by another participant in this thread in my last post.
In regards to education, Jefferson did believe in free higher education for some as he divided aristocrats into 2 groups

1. the artificial aristocracy-founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents
2. the natural aristocracy-The grounds of this are virtue and talents


In a letter to John Adams he wrote:
For I agree with you that there is a natural aristocracy among men. The grounds of this are virtue and talents. Formerly bodily powers gave place among the aristoi. But since the invention of gunpowder has armed the weak as well as the strong with missile death, bodily strength, like beauty, good humor, politeness and other accomplishments, has become but an auxiliary ground of distinction. There is also an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents; for with these it would belong to the first class. The natural aristocracy I consider as the most precious gift of nature for the instruction, the trusts, and government of society. And indeed it would have been inconsistent in creation to have formed man for the social state, and not to have provided virtue and wisdom enough to manage the concerns of the society. May we not even say that that form of government is the best which provides the most effectually for a pure selection of these natural aristoi into the offices of government? The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provision should be made to prevent it's ascendancy.

On the question, What is the best provision, you and I differ; but we differ as rational friends, using the free exercise of our own reason, and mutually indulging it's errors. You think it best to put the Pseudo-aristoi into a separate chamber of legislation where they may be hindered from doing mischief by their coordinate branches, and where also they may be a protection to wealth against the Agrarian and plundering enterprises of the Majority of the people. I think that to give them power in order to prevent them from doing mischief, is arming them for it, and increasing instead of remedying the evil. For if the coordinate branches can arrest their action, so may they that of the coordinates. Mischief may be done negatively as well as positively.

Of this a cabal in the Senate of the U.S. has furnished many proofs.

Nor do I believe them necessary to protect the wealthy; because enough of these will find their way into every branch of the legislation to protect themselves. From 15 to 20 legislatures of our own, in action for 30 years past, have proved that no fears of an equalisation of property are to be apprehended from them.
I think the best remedy is exactly that provided by all our constitutions, to leave to the citizens the free election and separation of the aristoi from the pseudo-aristoi, of the wheat from the chaff. In general they will elect the real good and wise. In some instances, wealth may corrupt, and birth blind them; but not in sufficient degree to endanger the society.

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At the first session of our legislature after the Declaration of Independence, we passed a law abolishing entails. And this was followed by one abolishing the privilege of Primogeniture, and dividing the lands of intestates equally among all their children, or other representatives. These laws, drawn by myself, laid the axe to the root of Pseudo-aristocracy. And had another which I prepared been adopted by the legislature, our work would have been complete.
It was a Bill for the more general diffusion of learning. This proposed to divide every county into wards of 5 or 6 miles square, like your townships; to establish in each ward a free school for reading, writing and common arithmetic; to provide for the annual selection of the best subjects from these schools who might receive at the public expense a higher degree of education at a district school; and from these district schools to select a certain number of the most promising subjects to be completed at an University, where all the useful sciences should be taught. Worth and genius would thus have been sought out from every condition of life, and completly prepared by education for defeating the competition of wealth and birth for public trusts. http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/P/tj3/writings/brf/jefl223.htm
Jefferson didn't promote wealth redistribution but he took measures to "lay the axe to the root of the pseudo/artificial aristocracy" by passing a law that abolished entails ( An “entail” is a legal mechanism that locks property into a family for an indefinite number of generations by prohibiting the right of one’s descendants to dispose of it. ) and by abolishing primogeniture.
Jefferson realized that “equality of opportunity” does not mean anything unless the opportunity is realistically there. When wealth is locked up among the aristocracy and remains locked up in the pseudo-aristocracy (for generations and generations), opportunities wane, and corruption and incompetence abounds.

Jefferson saw education as a right and said of his bill for public education
I have great hope that some patriotic spirit will, at a favorable moment, call it up, and make it the key-stone of the arch of our government.
and his reaon
Worth and genius would thus have been sought out from every condition of life, and compleatly prepared by education for defeating the competition of wealth and birth for public trusts

We live in a time were opportunities wane and corruption and incompetence abound. Hence, OWS.
 
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Anarchy? What anarchy? and entitlements? If you are referring to


The anarchy angle has already been addressed as existing in OWS organizers. Rather obvious in the streets, too.
And a reply to entitlements was just a couple posts ago, here
http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread...cupy-that...&p=2040362&viewfull=1#post2040362

Here is a little history you and eveyone else should be familiar with whether you support of oppose OWS...it helps to get your facts straight.
The Birth of the 99% Movement
On February 15th, 2010, AmpedStatus.com published the first-part of an extensive six-part series that I wrote detailing the financial destruction of the US economy. The report is entitled, “The Economic Elite Vs. The People of the United States.” The first sentence reads:
“It’s time for 99% of Americans to mobilize and aggressively move on common sense political reforms.”
The introduction goes on to say:
“It has now become evident to a critical mass that the Republican and Democratic parties, along with all three branches of our government, have been bought off by a well-organized Economic Elite who are tactically destroying our way of life. The harsh truth is that 99% of the US population no longer has political representation. The US economy, government and tax system are now blatantly rigged against us.
Current statistical societal indicators clearly demonstrate that a strategic attack has been launched and an analysis of current governmental policies prove that conditions for 99% of Americans will continue to deteriorate. The Economic Elite have engineered a financial coup and have brought war to our doorstep… and make no mistake, they have launched a war to eliminate the US middle class.”
The report quickly went viral and many popular websites picked it up and published it. AlterNet.org featured an adapted excerpt from the report with the headline, “The Economic Elite Have Engineered an Extraordinary Coup, Threatening the Very Existence of the Middle Class.” It became one of the most popular reports that they have ever published. In aggregate, across many websites that have publish sections of the report, it has received an estimated five million page views.

Soon after the report was released, AmpedStatus formed the 99% Movement based on a general platform put forth in part-six of the report, entitled “How to Fight Back and Win: Common Ground Issues That Must Be Won.”

As the movement began to build over the course of the next ten months, after a series of TV interviews in which I supported the 99% Movement and called for acts of non-violent civil disobedience, the AmpedStatus.com website was attacked and repeatedly knocked offline. The source of the attacks remains unknown. After publishing investigative reports detailing the fraudulent activities of Wall Street; the destructive impact the financial elite have had upon the American people; revealing direct connections between economic hardships in the US and the uprisings that, at the time, were just beginning to take shape throughout Northern Africa, the Middle East and Europe, it was obvious that we were upsetting many powerful forces.

As AmpedStatus was pushing for a decentralized global rebellion against Wall Street and actively supporting the Egyptian uprising against the IMF and Federal Reserve, the attacks on the site escalated. In what appeared to be a fatal blow, the entire ISP network that the AmpedStatus.com site was hosted on was knocked offline, hundreds of sites were also affected and the AmpedStatus.com web hosting provider said that they would no longer be able to host the site unless it was moved to a service that was significantly more than we were paying or could afford. With a very limited budget, and in complete desperation, AmpedStatus put out a call for help.

Anonymous Rides to the Rescue…
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As AmpedStatus.com came under attack, Anonymous was playing a key role in supporting the uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia. When no one else with the needed technical expertise would help us and it became apparent that we would have to shut down our operation, several Anonymous members stepped up and offered to support and defend AmpedStatus.com from further attacks. They assisted in setting up a new hosting account and helped develop a new Independent social network for the 99% Movement. From that point on, AmpedStatus.com has not once been knocked offline due to an attack.




 

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..................... I think Jefferson would be very supportive of the Tea Party and OWS (and would probably urge them to join together) and he would not be supportive of our militarized police force.

According to Wikipedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shays'_Rebellion
this line in a letter from Jefferson to Henry Lee stands out:
Let us have a government by which our lives, liberties, and properties will be secured, or let us know the worst at once


The OWS is not about securing property or liberty or the safety/quality of our lives when it advocates anarchy and revolution rather than reform.
It's focus is anti capitalism and acquiring entitlements from society. And that's a hard core socialist position.


Sure, you could cherry pick comments otherwise, but the general trend of OWS is a radical leftist movement.
It's actually a well thought out propaganda machine:
'Democracy now......what's yours is mine, what's mine's me own'
Contradictions.
But it sells to the weak of mind.
 

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History continued:
Once we regained our First Amendment rights and knew that we had backing from Anonymous members, we then defiantly released another extensive report in February, 2011 entitled, “Analysis of the Global Insurrection Against Neo-Liberal Economic Domination and the Coming American Rebellion – We Are Egypt.”
The introduction states:
“If you think what’s happening in Egypt won’t happen within the United States, you’ve been watching too much TV. The statistics speak for themselves.
In previous Revolution Roundups, before we were knocked offline, we featured mass protests by the people of Ireland, Italy, Britain, Austria, Greece, France and Portugal, as the Global Insurrection contagion spread throughout Europe. And now, as we have seen over the past month, North African and Middle Eastern nations have joined the movement as the people of Egypt, Tunisia, Jordan, Morocco, Gabon, Mauritania, Yemen, Bahrain, Libya, Palestine, Iraq, Sudan and Algeria have taken to the streets en masse.
The connection between this latest round of uprisings and the prior protests throughout Europe is one the mainstream media is not making. We are witnessing a decentralized global rebellion against Neo-Liberal economic imperialism. While each national uprising has its own internal characteristics, each one, at its core, is about the rising costs of living and lack of financial opportunity and security. Throughout the world the situation is the same: increasing levels of unemployment and poverty, as price inflation on food and basic necessities is soaring.
Whether national populations realize it or not, these uprisings are against systemic global economic policies that are strategically designed to exploit the working class, reduce living standards, increase personal debt and create severe inequalities of wealth. These global uprising, which have only just begun, are the first wave of the inevitable reaction to the implementation of a centralized worldwide Neo-Feudal economic order.
The global banking cartel, centered at the IMF, World Bank and Federal Reserve, have paid off politicians and dictators the world over — from Washington to Greece to Egypt. In country after country, they have looted national economies at the expense of local populations, consolidating wealth in unprecedented fashion…”
Within this report, there was a section calling for an occupation of Wall Street, in what is referred to as “The Empire State Rebellion.”
A sub-group within Anonymous then joined with the AmpedStatus 99% Movement and we began a collaborative effort known as A99.
A broad A99 platform was presented on the AmpedStatus social network. The platform represented a diverse mix of political viewpoints that members felt would properly represent the 99% of the population that has lost political representation. [View original platform here.]
On Mar 12, 2011, Anonymous A99 announced their first operation by posting a video to the AmpedStatus YouTube page. The effort was called “Operation Empire State Rebellion” (#OpESR). The video “OpESR Communication #1” stated the following:
“We are a decentralized non-violent resistance movement, which seeks to restore the rule of law and fight back against the organized criminal class.
One-tenth of one percent of the population has consolidated wealth in unprecedented fashion and launched an all-out economic war against 99.9% of the population.
We are not affiliated with either wing of the two-party oligarchy. We seek an end to the corrupted two-party system by ending the campaign finance and lobbying racket.
Above all, we aim to break up the global banking cartel centered at the Federal Reserve, International Monetary Fund, Bank of International Settlements and World Bank.
We demand that the primary dealers within the Federal Reserve banking system be broken up and held accountable for rigging markets and destroying the global economy, effective immediately.
As a first sign of good faith, we demand Ben Bernanke step down as Federal Reserve chairman.
Until our demands are met and a rule of law is restored, we will engage in a relentless campaign of non-violent, peaceful, civil disobedience.” http://ampedstatus.org/a-report-fro...allstreet-and-the-origins-of-the-99-movement/

 
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History cont'd:
Economic news site ZeroHedge quickly picked up the video and featured it on their site with the headline, “Hacker Group Anonymous Brings Peaceful Revolution To America: Will Engage In Civil Disobedience Until Bernanke Steps Down.”
The video then went viral and got over 225,000 views.
Anonymous Calls for a US Day of Rage

On March 23rd, Anonymous issued a press release calling for a “US Day of Rage.” The phrase, “A day of rage,” has been a rallying cry used in uprisings spreading throughout the Middle East. A new USDayofRage.org website was launched and their first press release, again quickly picked up by ZeroHedge, called for a day of mass action and pledged their support of A99′s original general platform. [Full release here.]

Throughout April and May, members of A99 were organizing and debating possible future actions. They decided that Flag Day, June 14th, would be an appropriate time to launch actions. They also set up several new Facebook pages, such as “#OpESR – Operation Empire State Rebellion Amped.”
On June 1st, this Anonymous call to action was published to AmpedStatus:

Acts of Resistance: What Are You Going To Do To Rebel Against Economic Tyranny?
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The big banks have sold us out.
Democrats and Republicans have sold us out.
No one is defending our interests.
Our future is going up in flames.
It’s time for us to stand up and defend ourselves.
Trillions of dollars in fraudulent activity by the big banks on Wall Street caused our current economic crisis. Paid off politicians from both parties, along with secret deals made by the Federal Reserve, gave trillions of taxpayer dollars and subsidies to the very people who caused our crisis. After taking our tax dollars, they had the audacity to give themselves all-time recording-breaking bonuses and consolidate wealth in unprecedented fashion within the economic top 0.01% of the population.

While a record number of Americans are currently living in poverty and on food stamps; while millions of American families have been foreclosed upon; while health care, food and gas costs are skyrocketing; while over 200 million Americans are living paycheck to paycheck struggling to make ends meet, the super-wealthy have never had it better. We now have the most severe inequality of wealth in American history. The depravity of the Robber Barons has been outdone.
As their current policies prove, economic central planners have become so arrogant and tyrannical in their shortsighted greed. They think we are an ignorant and apathetic population that they can continue to exploit without fear of rebellion.

We are finally declaring that we have had enough. We will not remain passive while global banking interests destroy our future. We know the systemic causes of our current crisis and we are going to strike at the root.

On this Flag Day, June 14th, Operation Empire State Rebellion (#OpESR) will launch. #OpESR is a decentralized non-violent resistance movement to end the system of political bribery (campaign finance and lobbying) and break up the big banks centered at the Federal Reserve.

To coincide with the launch of this movement, people have begun organizing acts of resistance throughout the US. We are calling upon you to take an action of your own. Whether it’s taking part in a local public protest, withdrawing your money from one of the big six banks, starting a community group or passing out fliers. Anything you can do to rebel against the system of economic tyranny in a non-violent manner is welcome.

As a first step, please join the actions against the banks in one of the cities shown here, or use the ‘schedule an action’ tool to create your own.”


The online attention surrounding this call to action quickly grew. For a roundup of coverage see: On June 11th, Anonymous A99 released “OpESR Communication #2: Ctrl+Alt+Bernanke.”
“In this new video release, ‘as a first step,’ Anonymous has called for public protests beginning on June 14th, continuing ‘until Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke steps down.’ To make their case, they have presented a list of recent scandalous Federal Reserve actions.”

Once again, the video was posted to the AmpedStatus YouTube account and ZeroHedge quickly picked it up and featured it. The video instantly went viral attracting over 360,000 views on the AmpedStatus YouTube account alone. It became popular enough to break through and get some coverage from the mainstream corporate media. MSNBC, Time, Bloomberg and Forbes were among many news outlets to cover it. http://ampedstatus.org/a-report-fro...allstreet-and-the-origins-of-the-99-movement/

 
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History cont'd-You can't understand a movement if you don't know how it originated
On June 13th, it was announced that as part this day of action a group of people will occupy Liberty Park, a strategic public space closest to Wall Street and the New York Federal Reserve building. This Anonymous statement was released:
Activists to Occupy Financial District’s Liberty Park Until Demands Are Met – Operation Empire State Rebellion Begins
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“On June 14th at 1pm EST, a group of activists will begin occupation of Liberty Park (recently renamed Zuccotti Park) in lower Manhattan’s Financial District, a few blocks from Wall Street (14971 Broadway, 10007). A Google Map featuring the event states the following:
‘This Flag Day, Tuesday June 14th, we will launch a non-violent movement with this list of demands:
* End the campaign finance and lobbying racket
* Break up the Fed & Too Big to Fail banks
* Enforce RICO laws against organized criminal class
* Order Ben Bernanke to step down’
Gary Roland, an organizer of the action, says they will occupy the park ‘indefinitely, to express non-violent dissent to the further consolidation of wealth into the hands of international corporations by the corrupted two-party oligarchy. This is a non-violent action that seeks to express dissent and raise awareness of the failures of our current political discourse, until our demands are satisfied.’”
With only 16 people showing up at Liberty Park, and only four prepared to occupy it, this part of the day’s actions were considered by some to be a disappointing failure. Though this intense form of civil disobedience didn’t gain enough support at that time, the many other actions happening throughout the day were very successful.
Anonymous A99 issued an extensive report detailing the days actions: “OpESR Status Update: Empire State Rebellion Day 1.” In the report, the section on occupying Liberty Park reads:
“The most ambitious ground operation launched on Day 1 was in New York City’s Financial District, just a few blocks from Wall Street, at Liberty Park. The protest only attracted 16 people in total, with only 4 people ready to occupy the park indefinitely. While this operation was a fail due to lack of participants, we want to thank the event organizer Gary Roland and the three other people who were prepared to occupy the park: David DeGraw, Oren Clark and Kevin Dann.
Getting people to stand up in this way requires a very strong commitment that most people have not yet realized will be necessary and in their best interests. As we continue Awareness Operations and build momentum, we will reactivate this part of our Ground Operation at a future date. We have set up a social network group dedicated to planning this operation. If you are ready to peacefully occupy a public place, please join the planning group here.”
On the very same day as the launch of the Empire State Rebellion and the failed Liberty Park action, there was a group of activists assembling down the road from Liberty Park. They were preparing to set up camp in what became known as Bloombergville to protest against New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s budget cuts. Gary Roland, after leaving Liberty Park with a feeling frustration, decided to join the Bloomberg protests. http://ampedstatus.org/a-report-fro...allstreet-and-the-origins-of-the-99-movement/
 
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read on...this includes where Adbusters comes in
Enter the New York City General Assembly
During the Bloomberg protests a group of activists, including Gary Roland, formed a People’s General Assembly, which eventually evolved into the New York City General Assembly (NYCGA), to help facilitate an organized non-violent movement. After the two-week long Bloomberg occupation near the city capital building, the NYCGA kept meeting and building toward the next major protest event. The NYCGA would go on to play the most pivotal role on the ground, building a large turnout through old-fashioned grassroots community-based organizing.
As the NYCGA was being formed, Anonymous A99 debated the exact date in which they would return to Liberty Park for another attempt at achieving the occupation of Wall Street. They were committed to a strategy of three-month cycles. Their first communication was issued on March 12th, the second video calling for protests was released 90-days later on June 11th. They debated and it appeared that the next attempted occupation of Liberty Park would occur on September 10th.
Adbusters Makes the Call…
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As the debate among Anonymous A99 was happening and a date for occupation was being finalized, Adbusters magazine issued an open call for an occupation of Wall Street on September 17th. Anonymous, A99 OpESR, US Day of Rage and the NYCGA quickly endorsed the action. With the NYCGA focused on community-based organizing, Adbusters, Anonymous, AmpedStatus, A99, US Day of Rage, WagingNonViolence and many other sites actively pushed out the message online urging people to take part in the action. WeAreThe99Percent.com and OccupyWallSt.org were then Independently launched to directly support the action. Indymedia’s Global Revolution media team provided a livestream video feed to cover the event, which then inspired many more people to come and join the occupation once it had begun. It was this serendipitous confluence of decentralized Independent groups and thousands of individuals taking it upon themselves to take action that helped make the successful occupation of Liberty Park possible.
Note: There are definitely other significant groups that played a key role. In such a decentralized movement, it’s hard to keep track of all the efforts being put forth. We will feature other perspectives in the days ahead.
Moving Forward…
Ultimately, all of the groups mentioned throughout this report were just the seeds that helped launch what is now known as the #OccupyWallStreet 99% Movement. As the occupation of Liberty Park continues to grow and enters it’s third week, with no signs of protesters even considering leaving, the people most actively taking part are committed to remaining a decentralized leaderless movement based on the direct democratic process of deciding on future demands and actions through a consensus of those participating. In the spirit of the movement, people acting on their own have begun like-minded actions and occupations throughout the country.
The only unifying call to action seems to be:
“Anything you can do to rebel against the system of economic tyranny in a non-violent manner is welcome.”
As Anonymous A99 wrote in response to questions about their movement:
“We are a DECENTRALIZED non-violent movement. If you are looking to contact one of our leaders, go to the nearest mirror and peer deeply into it. It may take some time, but, eventually, one of our leaders will appear with answers to all of your questions.”
What more can you say?
As I’m typing this, the NYC General Assembly meeting just came to an end, I hear the sound of drums, looks like it’s time for another march. An NYPD officer who supports our efforts just gave me a nod and said, “Hey man, you better get back to the frontlines. The troops are on the move.” It’s another day of battle at Liberty Park.
The occupation of Wall $treet rages on…

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Anarchist organizers ... Isn't that an oxymoron?

Indeed.
Like Marxism, the final goal being a utopian anarchy ( not chaos ), but getting there required a passage through Communism...with never ending physical enforcement.
Anarchy seems mostly a myth in practice, at best short lived, merely the acquisition of power that's needed to retain control.....with Marx's 'utopia' in reality ending up being more of a gated society.
 

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read on...this includes where Adbusters comes in

Adbusters is taking full credit for initiating OWS.
According to Lasn, it had been an idea in the works for several years and the timing was right both from the sorry economy and a Presidential election coming up in a year......but it looks like OWS is hacking on Obama too, so it's hard to tell what benefits the Democrat Party will receive next fall.....sorry, I didn't keep the link. If I find it, I'll post it
 

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Still waiting on a response to this post in relation to proposed entitlements..

You may be waiting a long time. I've addressed Jefferson's quote as a compare and contrast with Shay's Rebellion which was all I meant to do when I posted his quote. Jefferson was in favor of free primary education and he was in favor of free higher education to those who demonstrated academic excellence...I addressed this in a previous post in this thread.
 
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