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[Stone]

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Ole Stone is an unknowing shill in this shell game of the corpratocracy.

I'm well aware....I just don't advocate backing one corrupt source of support to solve another as you do.

 

[Johnfromokc]

I'm well aware....I just don't advocate backing one corrupt source of support to solve another as you do.

There is nothing corrupt about OWS no matter how many times you repeat the words "Communist", "Marxist", "Socialist", "Anarchist", "corruption", etc.

What have you personally done to serve your country Stone? Tell us of the action you have taken to demonstrate the courage of your convictions.

 

[Stone]

There is nothing corrupt about OWS no matter how many times you repeat the words "Communist", "Marxist", "Socialist", "Anarchist", "corruption", etc.

What have you personally done to serve your country Stone? Tell us of the action you have taken to demonstrate the courage of your convictions.

The influence is there, you're merely repeating denial.

What have you personally done to serve your country Stone? Tell us of the action you have taken to demonstrate the courage of your convictions.

I vote my convictions and accept the results rather than your position of overthrowing the election process when your wants aren't fulfilled.

 

[Stone]

Tim/John.....one of your comrades inputting socialist philosophy at OWS:

Alex Callinicos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Callinicos


Speaker at OWS

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/ows_camp_gets_really_commie_cal_77d2HZTSJ9EDLk01OKOjVM

One of his core beliefs in his own words:
http://www.marxisme.dk/arkiv/callinic/1988/09/iraniraq.htm

Revolutionary socialists are in no sense unconditional defenders of peace. It is true that we wish to put an end to the capitalist system which breeds wars, but this end can only be achieved by violent means.

Lenin summed up the Marxist approach, quoting the great Prussian military thinker Karl von Clausewitz:

"With reference to wars, the main thesis of dialectics ... is that 'war is simply the continuation of politics by other [ie violent] means'. Such is the formula of Clausewitz, one of the greatest writers on the history of war, whose thinking was stimulated by Hegel. And it was always the standpoint of Marx and Engels, who regarded any war as the continuation of the politics of the powers concerned – and the various classes within these countries – in a definite period."

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Revolutionary socialists actively intervene even in wars which they oppose in order to promote the interests of the international working class.

No socialist influence in the OWS movement?
Looks like you're embracing a lot of hard core socialism if you blindly endorse the OWS movement.

 

[Johnfromokc]

So Stone, I take it you have done nothing in the service of your country other than "voting your convictions"?


Did I get that correct?

 

[Stone]

So Stone, I take it you have done nothing in the service of your country other than "voting your convictions"?


Did I get that correct?

If you are asking if I have had military service, the answer is no.
And If you claim your service was in the defense of the constitution and the concept of a democratic society, it obviously conflicts with your current objectives.

But my point is clear.......I accept the will of the public through elections, you however appear to have taken a different route.

 

[Stone]

Tim/John.....one of your comrades inputting socialist philosophy at OWS:

Alex Callinicos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Callinicos


Speaker at OWS


One of his core beliefs in his own words:
http://www.marxisme.dk/arkiv/callinic/1988/09/iraniraq.htm







No socialist influence in the OWS movement?
Looks like you're embracing a lot of hard core socialism if you blindly endorse the OWS movement.

ANy comment to that johnny?

 

[Stone]

Another socialist speaker with a different tactic......the appeal to rationality.....but socialist none the same:
Safia Arias of the International Socialist Organization


[video=youtube;ojEhnehaeio]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojEhnehaeio&feature=player_embedded[/video]

The purpose of the ISO, a banner I've seen at OWS protests:
http://www.internationalsocialist.org/what_we_stand_for.html

The ISO stands in the tradition of revolutionary socialists Karl Marx, V.I. Lenin and Leon Trotsky in the belief that workers themselves--the vast majority of the population--are the only force that can lead the fight to win a socialist society. Socialism can't be brought about from above, but has to be won by workers themselves.

Essentially a propaganda attempt to mainline socialism by marginalizing it's proclivity for violence in achieving it's goals.
Sounds good to weak minds.

 

[Johnfromokc]

If you are asking if I have had military service, the answer is no.
And If you claim your service was in the defense of the constitution and the concept of a democratic society, it obviously conflicts with your current objectives.

Nope, wasn't what I was asking in particular - I was asking what civic, social, political and other activities you believe in enough to get up off your ass and spend some time taking action to support.

My military service was for the profits of the military industrial complex like everyone elses service is today. I got marketable skills, paid housing, food, travel, paid vacation, and a paycheck in return.

But my point is clear.......I accept the will of the public through elections, you however appear to have taken a different route.

Your point is anything but clear. Do you just pull statements like this out of your ass or what?

ANy comment to that johnny?

I'll tell you like I tell the rest of the fuckwits that address me in any other fashion than my screen name, there Stone Stupid. You'll be addressed as Stone Stupid Asshat, or plain old dipshit everytime you address as anything other than my screen name - got it dip shit?

Now as to your repeated attempts to tie Communism, Marxism, Socialism, or any of the various other "ism's" to OWS, as the intellectually weak of your ilk like to bandy about - who gives a fuck?

Just like the rest of the asshattery the rest of the useful idiots of the corpratocracy parrot repeatedly, it's just so much meaningless noise coming from the hole under your nose.

 

[Stone]

Another sweet story

[h=1]The aspirations of Occupy Wall Street[/h]
Until you read the source.

http://socialistworker.org/2011/11/10/aspirations-of-occupy-wall-street


http://socialistworker.org/
Merely another attempt to soft sell socialism through the OWS.

 

[Stone]

Nope, wasn't what I was asking in particular - I was asking what civic, social, political and other activities you believe in enough to get up off your ass and spend some time taking action to support.

My military service was for the profits of the military industrial complex like everyone elses service is today. I got marketable skills, paid housing, food, travel, paid vacation, and a paycheck in return.



Your point is anything but clear. Do you just pull statements like this out of your ass or what?



I'll tell you like I tell the rest of the fuckwits that address me in any other fashion than my screen name, there Stone Stupid. You'll be addressed as Stone Stupid Asshat, or plain old dipshit everytime you address as anything other than my screen name - got it dip shit?

Now as to your repeated attempts to tie Communism, Marxism, Socialism, or any of the various other "ism's" to OWS, as the intellectually weak of your ilk like to bandy about - who gives a fuck?

Just like the rest of the asshattery the rest of the useful idiots of the corpratocracy parrot repeatedly, it's just so much meaningless noise coming from the hole under your nose.

Nope, wasn't what I was asking in particular

I suspect it was.

I was asking what civic, social, political and other activities you believe in enough to get up off your ass and spend some time taking action to support.

I've already posted I'm not a member of a political party.
And the issue isn't about my ass being involved in pushing socialism.....it's about yours.

My military service was for the profits of the military industrial complex like everyone elses service is today. I got marketable skills, paid housing, food, travel, paid vacation, and a paycheck in return.

Crass, but I believe that's in you.

Your point is anything but clear. Do you just pull statements like this out of your ass or what?

I do have trouble relating to you and conveying messages only you can understand.
In time, maybe I'll come to understand your reading and comprehension issues better.

I'll tell you like I tell the rest of the fuckwits that address me in any other fashion than my screen name, there Stone Stupid. You'll be addressed as Stone Stupid Asshat, or plain old dipshit everytime you address as anything other than my screen name - got it dip shit?

You are such a hoot, johnny

Now as to your repeated attempts to tie Communism, Marxism, Socialism, or any of the various other "ism's" to OWS, as the intellectually weak of your ilk like to bandy about - who gives a fuck?

You and Tim seem obviously upset.................( )

Just like the rest of the asshattery the rest of the useful idiots of the corpratocracy parrot repeatedly, it's just so much meaningless noise coming from the hole under your nose.

Shocking, just shocking I tell you

 

[Stone]

Another sweet story

The aspirations of Occupy Wall Street


Until you read the source.

http://socialistworker.org/2011/11/10/aspirations-of-occupy-wall-street


http://socialistworker.org/
Merely another attempt to soft sell socialism through the OWS.

Whoa......just found this on Socialistworker

http://socialistworker.org/where-we-stand

War, poverty, exploitation, oppression and worldwide environmental destruction are products of the capitalist system, a system in which a minority ruling class profits from the labor of the majority. The alternative is socialism, a society based on workers collectively owning and controlling the wealth their labor creates.
We stand in the Marxist tradition, founded by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, and continued by V.I. Lenin, Rosa Luxemburg and Leon Trotsky

Same old theme when you look closely.

 

[Johnfromokc]

You are such a hoot, johnny

Well stoned stupid dipshit, looks like you wanna play fuck fuck. Fine with me.

But you're gonna have to play with yourself. Know why? Because you have to be the stupidest fuckwit I've come across in quite some time.

You have no points worth debating.

You're incapable of a reasonable conversation.

You stand for nothing.

You apparently enjoy reading your own witless posts.

Here's a forum loaded with dipshits like you. You'll be much happier there:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index

 

[Stone]

Well stoned stupid dipshit, looks like you wanna play fuck fuck. Fine with me.

But you're gonna have to play with yourself. Know why? Because you have to be the stupidest fuckwit I've come across in quite some time.

You have no points worth debating.

You're incapable of a reasonable conversation.

You stand for nothing.

You apparently enjoy reading your own witless posts.

Here's a forum loaded with dipshits like you. You'll be much happier there:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index

Oh my....you are such an eloquent debater, johnny

 

[Tim]

You and Tim seem obviously upset.................( )

What makes you think I'm upset? Hell, I haven't been upset in a political debate in many years.
I have debated many quite intelligent posters who were able to articulate their points quite clearly, and you sir are not one of them.

I have been holding out, hoping you might bring some wisdom into this conversation. I would truly enjoy that. But I think I am just wasting my time here.

 

[Stone]

What makes you think I'm upset? Hell, I haven't been upset in a political debate in many years.
I have debated many quite intelligent posters who were able to articulate their points quite clearly, and you sir are not one of them.

I have been holding out, hoping you might bring some wisdom into this conversation. I would truly enjoy that. But I think I am just wasting my time here.

Sigh!.......more denial of reality

 

[Stone]

Not a lot of debate going on.
Well, johnny and Tim....mull over this video.
Slavoj Žižek was the prolific speaker in the Wall Street protests that lead the audience into chanting 'anything is possible, even sex with animals'.
But what isn't obvious in the street are his roots in Communism that he's trying to reinvent.

( speeches not given to an OWS crowd. The purpose is to demonstrate the intentions of Žižek)
[video=youtube;_GD69Cc20rw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GD69Cc20rw[/video]

and his views on violence seem very subjective. Be sure to catch the end of the video starting at about 2:35

[video=youtube;H97abQulc2E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H97abQulc2E[/video]

"I am for violence"
'Ghandi was more violent than Hitler'.


Those are the ideals being spoon fed at the OWS protests to enhance leftist power in politics.

 

[All Else Failed]

lol'd my ass off at this vid


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ePH-1B2-gc&feature=related

 

[Johnfromokc]

lol'd my ass off at this vid

You laughed your ass off at a cop - who was in no way threatened - who walks up and hoses non-violent protesters?

That's a punk-ass response. I'd love to hose your panzy ass down with pepper spray and watch you cry like a little bitch.

Typical fucking Hannity fan.

 

[Stone]

.............................. I'd love to hose your panzy ass down with pepper spray and watch you cry like a little bitch.

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That was adult




Also took you down to the same level of that cop.



Hi johnny