Obama wins again

[The Man]

You know better. It's Boner and the teatards that are blocking progress.

How did teatards continue bush policy?

 

[Accountable]

I've often said this seriously. Bush begat Obama except I don't consider President Obama terrible or a bad leader. Give him a chance to enact his agenda then critize. I realize u and others disagree vigorously.

Four years, buddy. But I understand how your psychological block keeps you from remembering.

 

[itsmeJonB]

Four years, buddy. But I understand how your psychological block keeps you from remembering.

I don't understand how you can ignore the fact that everything that President Obama has wanted to do he had no support from the Republicans, stopping any idea he potentially he had in it's tracks.

 

[Accountable]

I don't understand how you can ignore the fact that everything that President Obama has wanted to do he had no support from the Republicans, stopping any idea he potentially he had in it's tracks.

A truly good politician could have overcome that. He was spoiled in the first 18 months and foolishly burned bridges. Lessee if he learned from his mistakes.

 

[The Man]

I don't understand how you can ignore the fact that everything that President Obama has wanted to do he had no support from the Republicans, stopping any idea he potentially he had in it's tracks.

The democrats had congress...how is this?
What did the republicans stop?

 

[Stone]

Well since Obama is keeping bush policy I guess we are fucked another four.

The neo-con corporate socialism of Bush and the leftist socialism of Obama do seem to share a lot of the same consequences for the middle class. In fairness, Romney probably would have continued much of what Bush offered.
Neither party currently seems to offer much in the way of pragmatism.
I think the nation is fucked well beyond the next four.

Taxes on the middle class are going to go up, Obamacare is another cost for the middle class while large service businesses cut full time employment for part timers.... to evade much of the impact of Obamacare on business models, States scramble to cover their deficits from public service pension obligations and the infrastructure crumbles from financial neglect.

America......share the wealth......what's yours is mine and what's mine's me own......(sarcasm alert) :cool

 

[The Man]

The neo-con corporate socialism of Bush and the leftist socialism of Obama do seem to share a lot of the same consequences for the middle class. In fairness, Romney probably would have continued much of what Bush offered.
Neither party currently seems to offer much in the way of pragmatism.
I think the nation is fucked well beyond the next four.

Taxes on the middle class are going to go up, Obamacare is another cost for the middle class while large service businesses cut full time employment for part timers.... to evade much of the impact of Obamacare on business models, States scramble to cover their deficits from public service pension obligations and the infrastructure crumbles from financial neglect.

America......share the wealth......what's yours is mine and what's mine's me own......(sarcasm alert) :cool

I expect Romney would have kept bush policy as well.
I do think he would have made an effort to reverse Obama care.
Maybe even created a few jobs...but not the 12 million he stated.

Also if we had a fairer trade practice we could have more jobs here as well..although the american made stuff would be much higher..we would have higher prices...which in effect would be just another inflation itself

 

[Minor Axis]

Obama had his chance. What, should we give the new presidents an 8 year term to fix the mess they inherit?

Obama is nothing more than a good speaker who makes people feel good about themselves when he's done speaking. To some extent, a lot like Reagan.

Four years, buddy. But I understand how your psychological block keeps you from remembering.

i should clarify I was referring to his budgetary agenda. In other areas, He has accomplished quite a lot. These are two of the many lists describing Obama Administration accomplishments that can be found online. Now it's your turn to poo-poo them.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/0...sident-obamas-accomplishments-with-citations/

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ma...tures/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php

 

[The Man]

i should clarify I was referring to his budgetary agenda. In other areas, He has accomplished quite a lot. This is one of the many lists of what the Obama Administration has accomplished that can be found online. Now it's your turn to poo-poo it.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ma...tures/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php

He has been a busy man....why is there nothing there for job creations?
Why has he increased spending?....I mean with these cuts he has been doing then why is his budget going up every year rather than down?

 

[Joe the meek]

i should clarify I was referring to his budgetary agenda. In other areas, He has accomplished quite a lot. These are two of the many lists describing Obama Administration accomplishments that can be found online. Now it's your turn to poo-poo them.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/0...sident-obamas-accomplishments-with-citations/

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ma...tures/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php

Would you like the list of Bush Jr's accomplishments?

 

[Accountable]

i should clarify I was referring to his budgetary agenda.

Yeh, maybe you should've, and probably would've, if that's what you'd meant. Nice sidestep, though.

 

[Stone]

i should clarify I was referring to his budgetary agenda. In other areas, He has accomplished quite a lot. These are two of the many lists describing Obama Administration accomplishments that can be found online. Now it's your turn to poo-poo them.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/0...sident-obamas-accomplishments-with-citations/

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ma...tures/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php

Many of those, when looking closer, actually look negative.
As Joe pointed out, there are lists that make Bush look good, too......and they are mostly bullshit, also.

 

[Accountable]

I do think he would have made an effort to reverse Obama care.

Based on what? The fact that it's largely his own plan? That he said he would keep parts of it? That the party mantra is 'repeal and replace'?
Of course, I guess you get to define what an 'effort' is, so ....

 

[darkcgi]

 

[Stone]

You know better. It's Boner and the teatards that are blocking progress.

Your progress?

I haven't seen much progress originate from the left other than leftist programs, John.
What makes you think there wouldn't be a backlash from those first two years of what was essentially an unopposed Oval Office?

Compromise is lost when two sides can't/won't agree.....responsibility for that includes the left.

 

[Minor Axis]

Yeh, maybe you should've, and probably would've, if that's what you'd meant. Nice sidestep, though.

Tell me what have House Republicans been fighting Obama over for last 3 years? It's exactly what I ment.

 

[Johnfromokc]

It is a myth that Obama's first two years were unopposed. You know this.

President Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009 with just 58 Senators to support his agenda. He should have had 59, but Republicans contested Al Franken's election in Minnesota and he didn't get seated for seven months. The President's cause was helped in April when Pennsylvania's Republican Senator Arlen Specter switched parties. That gave the President 59 votes - still a vote shy of the super majority.

But one month later, Democratic Senator Byrd of West Virginia was hospitalized and was basically out of commission. So while the President's number on paper was 59 Senators - he was really working with just 58 Senators. Then in July, Minnesota Senator Al Franken was finally sworn in, giving President Obama the magic 60 - but only in theory because, Senator Byrd was still out.

In August, Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts died and the number went back down to 59 again until Paul Kirk temporarily filled Kennedy's seat in September. Any pretense of a super-majority ended on February 4, 2010 when Republican Scott Brown was sworn into the seat Senator Kennedy once held. Do you see a two-year super-majority?

I didn't think so.

 

[The Man]

Based on what? The fact that it's largely his own plan? That he said he would keep parts of it? That the party mantra is 'repeal and replace'?
Of course, I guess you get to define what an 'effort' is, so ....

I should have stated partly reverse.
IMO the panels would be gone

 

[Johnfromokc]

The election memes are great and there are tons of them, lol.

 

[Stone]

It is a myth that Obama's first two years were unopposed. You know this.

President Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009 with just 58 Senators to support his agenda. He should have had 59, but Republicans contested Al Franken's election in Minnesota and he didn't get seated for seven months. The President's cause was helped in April when Pennsylvania's Republican Senator Arlen Specter switched parties. That gave the President 59 votes - still a vote shy of the super majority.

But one month later, Democratic Senator Byrd of West Virginia was hospitalized and was basically out of commission. So while the President's number on paper was 59 Senators - he was really working with just 58 Senators. Then in July, Minnesota Senator Al Franken was finally sworn in, giving President Obama the magic 60 - but only in theory because, Senator Byrd was still out.

In August, Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts died and the number went back down to 59 again until Paul Kirk temporarily filled Kennedy's seat in September. Any pretense of a super-majority ended on February 4, 2010 when Republican Scott Brown was sworn into the seat Senator Kennedy once held. Do you see a two-year super-majority?

I didn't think so.

I didn't think so

What you think is obviously irrelevant

The Republican blockade obviously didn't become effective until the Reps took control of the House....and that was in the second half of Obama's first term.

Legislation did pass concerning bail outs of banks, the auto industry, the transfer of private property to unions, unemployment extensions, tax payer subsidization of new car sales, incredible wastage in stimulus projects.....and of course the biggie, Obamacare.
Can you name any major issue Obama promoted in his first two years that didn't reach legislation?


I didn't think so......

From the liberal NPR......an interesting view of reality:

http://www.npr.org/2012/06/19/155026409/obama-and-congress-bipartisanship-talk-met-reality