Obama wins again

[Kakapo Dundee]

Serious question

You've long since forfeited any right to be taken seriously.:24:

Stay in your comfortable little bubble of delusion and remember....Not every Republican voter is of low IQ,but statistically , people like you are more likely to be republicans.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html

 

[The Man]

You've long since forfeited any right to be taken seriously.:24:

Stay in your comfortable little bubble of delusion and remember....Not every Republican voter is of low IQ,but statistically , people like you are more likely to be republicans.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html

You seem to have dodged the question...if they get to tough you just dont respond to them.
It appears as if most are just to tough for you, any rational responses appear to be somewhat of a rather large struggle ..so you attempt to resort to insult or attack.
Perhaps you can consult with the wife and form a proper response to the prior post in the coming hours.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

I've not dodged any question - I've judged you as not being smart enough to respond to. You're not interested or capable of debating like an adult. Stay in your fantasy bubble, Your fellow Americans have departed in a far more sensible direction.


Better luck next time.

 

[Minor Axis]

This is something I can't get my head around. The last Republican government added trillions to the national debt. The Obama administration is showing signs of stopping the runaway train that Bush and his co-accused created, and yet all it takes is for Romney to put a little spin on it and people are prepared to vote for the exact opposite of what they say they want?

Because 50% of voting U.S. citizens are delusional idiots propelled by an imaginary history. (Waiting for humorous replies.)

 

[Accountable]

Because 50% of voting U.S. citizens are delusional idiots propelled by an imaginary history. (Waiting for humorous replies.)

More like 80%. The other twenty reject both dem and repub fictional histories.

 

[Alien Allen]

Because 50% of voting U.S. citizens are delusional idiots propelled by an imaginary future. (Waiting for humorous replies.)

Fixed it for ya

That would be the same near amount that pays no federal income tax. Gee who would have thunk it. One point Romney made that was accurate. A built in constituency which fuels the democrats the same as other issues fuel the republicans.

 

[Minor Axis]

Fixed it for ya

That would be the same near amount that pays no federal income tax. Gee who would have thunk it. One point Romney made that was accurate. A built in constituency which fuels the democrats the same as other issues fuel the republicans.

According to the statistics 80% of the wealth is held by the top 10% or less. We have discussed this before. They (the bottom 50%) do pay taxes, maybe little if no Federal Income Tax. How much should they pay?

 

[Alien Allen]

According to the statistics 80% of the wealth is held by the top 10% or less. We have discussed this before. They (the bottom 50%) do pay taxes, maybe little if no Federal Income Tax. How much should they pay?

Do you always have to skew what is said? I clearly referenced federal income tax.

and I ask you why should it be that so many pay NO federal income tax?

you tell me what is fair?

 

[Accountable]

Do you always have to skew what is said? I clearly referenced federal income tax.

and I ask you why should it be that so many pay NO federal income tax?

Because when someone else's money is getting spent, people don't pay as much attention .



and the last thing Washington wants people to pay ... is attention.

 

[Tim]

Obama is outspending Bush.....its pretty simple.
You can deny this if you wish...However it makes one look rather foolish while doing such.

You continue to say this without ever showing proof.

Please, put up some numbers on exactly what president Obama is spending all this money on. Are these new programs under President Obama or are these costs from previous administrations?

Maybe this will help




So either show the numbers to support your claim or admit that you are just spreading the lies of the right.

I'll wait

 

[Stone]

You continue to say this without ever showing proof.

Please, put up some numbers on exactly what president Obama is spending all this money on. Are these new programs under President Obama or are these costs from previous administrations?

Maybe this will help




So either show the numbers to support your claim or admit that you are just spreading the lies of the right.

I'll wait

There is no doubt that the damage to the economy originated from and during the Bush administration........but TM is correct.....Obama is outspending and creating greater debts and deficits than Bush.
It's evident in the White House Historical Tables you can find here at Whitehouse.gov:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals

Direct link to an xls file:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist01z1.xls

 

[Tim]

There is no doubt that the damage to the economy originated from and during the Bush administration........but TM is correct.....Obama is outspending and creating greater debts and deficits than Bush.
It's evident in the White House Historical Tables you can find here at Whitehouse.gov:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals

Direct link to an xls file:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist01z1.xls

I'm still waiting...

Please show me what policies president Obama has enacted to add to our debt.
You can show me all of the tables on what the US receipts and outlays are but it doesn't explain what the money is being spent on or who was responsible for adding that spending.
And it doesn't always work to say, "Sure, Bush spent the money but president Obama should have stopped it now that he's in office." That argument doesn't always work. Do you think president Obama could come into office and shut off all the money going out for the wars in Iraq and Iran? Do you think he can just shut off the funds to the veterans What about the unfunded medicare drug prescription?

And are you aware of what it meant when president Obama took all of the off-book spending that the Bush administration was doing and put it on the books? What do you think it made the budget look like when president Obama put both wars on the books? It sure as hell didn't look good for him, did it?

 

[Stone]

I'm still waiting...

Please show me what policies president Obama has enacted to add to our debt.
You can show me all of the tables on what the US receipts and outlays are but it doesn't explain what the money is being spent on or who was responsible for adding that spending.
And it doesn't always work to say, "Sure, Bush spent the money but president Obama should have stopped it now that he's in office." That argument doesn't always work. Do you think president Obama could come into office and shut off all the money going out for the wars in Iraq and Iran? Do you think he can just shut off the funds to the veterans What about the unfunded medicare drug prescription?

And are you aware of what it meant when president Obama took all of the off-book spending that the Bush administration was doing and put it on the books? What do you think it made the budget look like when president Obama put both wars on the books? It sure as hell didn't look good for him, did it?

What are you, fucking dense?...I just gave you the stats from a government source....raw numbers with no spin.

Just as TM claimed and you incorrectly denied.

 

[Tim]

What are you, fucking dense?...I just gave you the stats from a government source....raw numbers with no spin.

Just as TM claimed and you incorrectly denied.

Well since you don't seem to understand how spending works in this country, I doubt we will get very far in this conversation.

If you are going to equate what the US spends on Social Security, Medicare, etc to the president, then you don't understand how our government works.

The executive isn't in charge of spending, that's reserved to the legislative branch of government. But the executive branch sure can add to the debt, Iraq and Afghanistan as two examples.

So please explain to me what new policies president Obama has enacted that show he is outspending Bush.

 

[Stone]

Well since you don't seem to understand how spending works in this country, I doubt we will get very far in this conversation.

If you are going to equate what the US spends on Social Security, Medicare, etc to the president, then you don't understand how our government works.

The executive isn't in charge of spending, that's reserved to the legislative branch of government. But the executive branch sure can add to the debt, Iraq and Afghanistan as two examples.

So please explain to me what new policies president Obama has enacted that show he is outspending Bush.

Amazing....I give you stats from a government source ........an Obama Presidency at that and you deny them

So please explain to me what new policies president Obama has enacted that show he is outspending Bush

I don't have to....I've made no claims about policies.......I addressed your bizarre discourse with TM and proved you wrong.
All you offer is diversion as an argument.

And if you look at the projections, Obama's ( correction for clarity) deficit spending would only be less than his own past budgets.
Sure....go ahead and blame Bush.....I have no problem with that......but your argument with TM about budgetary deficits and spending being less during the Obama administration is pure bullshit.

And that link I provided proves it.

 

[Accountable]

I had to laugh this morning when a pair of conservative talkshow co-hosts complained that President Obama made actual cuts to medicare whereas Paul Ryan merely wanted to reduce the rate of increase. :willy_nilly:

 

[The Man]

You continue to say this without ever showing proof.

Please, put up some numbers on exactly what president Obama is spending all this money on. Are these new programs under President Obama or are these costs from previous administrations?

Maybe this will help




So either show the numbers to support your claim or admit that you are just spreading the lies of the right.

I'll wait

Incredible....you honestly dont believe Obama is not spending more...This goes to show just how much of a blind follower you are.
Do you think everyone is a liar.
Are all the facts wrong?
You ask what he is spending it on?
You tell me.
With the Iraq war fizzled out...and the automakers "paid back"...with the housing market back up...YOU tell me what he is spending it on.

The fact remains he is out spending Bush...to claim he isnt is either desperation of blind loyalty ....or desperation for argument.
Tim....surely you can find something you are right on for debate...the last several weeks..you appear out of the blue with some rather wild posts which add no value to the threads.
Ok so Obama won...but lets stick to the facts he is not a saint he isnt going to change the world...and he isnt good for America...he is good for one thing /putting on a good speech ...Thats it.
Fact is many of us go by facts and history /not what a man says or does not say.
Perhaps you should do the same


I am posting a link of the obvious for you...complete with a picture since stones link was to complicated for you to understand.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_2000_2012USb_13s1li111lci_F0f

 

[The Man]

Play with the numbers anyway you like Tim
Its the total that counts.

Your logic once again fails you.
You should bookmark that link as well / use it for future reference ,as to hopefully prevent your bogus posting which has been common.

 

[The Man]

Here is another site for you tim

Federal budget in pictures{just for you }....lots of good info

Obama's Budget Continues Unprecedented Deficits

The President is responsible for submitting an annual budget to Congress and has the authority to veto legislation, including irresponsible spending. Most Administrations have run small but manageable deficits, but President Obama's unprecedented budget deficits pose serious economic risks.


http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/budget-create-deficits?gclid=cixb2k_xyrmcfegwmgodq2maxg

 

[The Man]

You continue to say this without ever showing proof.

Please, put up some numbers on exactly what president Obama is spending all this money on. Are these new programs under President Obama or are these costs from previous administrations?



So either show the numbers to support your claim or admit that you are just spreading the lies of the right.

I'll wait

I wasnt going to at first..as the original argument is Obama is spending more than bush...although you refuse to accept it.

But yeah..here is what Obama is spending it on


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More than Half of All Federal Spending Will Be on Entitlement Programs in 2012



Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security—along with other entitlements such as food stamps, unemployment, and housing assistance— make up 62 percent of all federal spending. In contrast, spending on foreign aid represents about 1 percent.


http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/budget-entitlement-programs

Socialism.
When will you people understand it simply does not work.