Military Respect

[dt3]

We start illegal wars that kill thousands of people just for natural resources. Why do you think we're so involved with South America?


Everyone knew that Saddam wouldnt make a move against the US. That lie was perpetuated by the media to make people afraid. Saddam wasn't stupid.

Saddam was stupid to fuck with us in the first place. As far as the first part, I honestly don't know enough about it to comment one way or the other. But I do know I've never deployed to South America.

 

[dt3]

They were actually going to work, and Saddam was going to let them back in, But Bush cut that short, didn't he?

What mistakes have we learned from?

I agreed that we don't seem to learn from our mistakes. And even if Saddam did let them back in, given his track record, I think they would've been either kicked out again or not allowed access to where they wanted to go.

 

[All Else Failed]

Saddam was stupid to fuck with us in the first place. As far as the first part, I honestly don't know enough about it to comment one way or the other. But I do know I've never deployed to South America.

Korea, vietnam, desert storm, Afghanistan and this war have never officially been declared as a war. We just kind of, did it.


The CIA and various other organizations such as the ATF are involved in South America. Its been documented that we train and arm rebel groups such as the FARC-EP to go against their own government.

 

[dt3]

Korea, vietnam, desert storm, Afghanistan and this war have never officially been declared as a war. We just kind of, did it.

True. But in which of these wars were we the original aggressor?

 

[NightWarrior]

They were actually going to work, and Saddam was going to let them back in, But Bush cut that short, didn't he?

What mistakes have we learned from?

Let's see. We've learned to more efficient bombers. We've learned to consume natural resources at a very efficient rate. We've learned that when some idiots decide to come onto our soil and kill our citizens and we make a swift decision to react, for some reason terrorists decide its not so smart for a while. Then their children grow up thinking they can try it again. We had every right to invade Iraq. I don't care if he weapons or didn't have them, it makes no difference. Your such a damn p**** to think otherwise. We have a duty to rid the world of idiots. In fact, your quickly moving up the list.

Come on, I thought that was funny. :jk

 

[White2000GT]

True. But in which of these wars were we the original aggressor?

Good point. I do however think that GW is more than willing to bite off more than he can chew. Right now we are, whether he admits it or not, stretched way too thin militarily just from operations in Afganistan and Iraq. And he said he is willing to adopt an aggressive posture with Iran and with North Korea if need be. Ok, so he really thinks we can support a war on all those fronts at the same time? The top General in Iraq is already saying he needs a bigger Army. The Army especially is being stretched to the max. And don't get me started on that 15 month deployment BS. My ship is on its way home from an 8 month deployment (scheduled as a 7 monther, but we got extended) and will be heading back out here again next year for another "scheduled" 7 monther. Can you say "Burned Out"? I'm sorry, as much as I love admitting that we have the greatest military in the world, we can only be in so many places at once. And even our military has its limits.
GW needs to simmer the fuck down and try using a little diplomacy every now and then instead of relying so heavily on military force alone.

 

[Peter Parka]

True. But in which of these wars were we the original aggressor?

I seem to remeber this war we were the aggresors. What real threat were Iraq to us. Its pretty much been proved there were no WMDs or any connection with Al Queda in Iraq. A lot of other wars the US have got involved with have been nothing to do with them either. I agree with the Afghanistan war though, they were sheltering bin laden.

 

[All Else Failed]

Let's see. We've learned to more efficient bombers. We've learned to consume natural resources at a very efficient rate. We've learned that when some idiots decide to come onto our soil and kill our citizens and we make a swift decision to react, for some reason terrorists decide its not so smart for a while. Then their children grow up thinking they can try it again. We had every right to invade Iraq. I don't care if he weapons or didn't have them, it makes no difference. Your such a damn p**** to think otherwise. We have a duty to rid the world of idiots. In fact, your quickly moving up the list.

Come on, I thought that was funny. :jk

Oh man, you're beyond any reasoning. Good luck in life, you'll need it.

 

[All Else Failed]

Good point. I do however think that GW is more than willing to bite off more than he can chew. Right now we are, whether he admits it or not, stretched way too thin militarily just from operations in Afganistan and Iraq. And he said he is willing to adopt an aggressive posture with Iran and with North Korea if need be. Ok, so he really thinks we can support a war on all those fronts at the same time? The top General in Iraq is already saying he needs a bigger Army. The Army especially is being stretched to the max. And don't get me started on that 15 month deployment BS. My ship is on its way home from an 8 month deployment (scheduled as a 7 monther, but we got extended) and will be heading back out here again next year for another "scheduled" 7 monther. Can you say "Burned Out"? I'm sorry, as much as I love admitting that we have the greatest military in the world, we can only be in so many places at once. And even our military has its limits.
GW needs to simmer the fuck down and try using a little diplomacy every now and then instead of relying so heavily on military force alone.

You have a good point. Can our already extremely spread out military take all of this demand? Probably not. I feel bad for military people like yourself for having to put up with this BS first hand.

 

[NightWarrior]

Oh man, you're beyond any reasoning. Good luck in life, you'll need it.

Your funny. I have more reason than you can imagine. You need to lighten up a bit. I don't need any luck, I make my life.

 

[dt3]

Good point. I do however think that GW is more than willing to bite off more than he can chew. Right now we are, whether he admits it or not, stretched way too thin militarily just from operations in Afganistan and Iraq. And he said he is willing to adopt an aggressive posture with Iran and with North Korea if need be. Ok, so he really thinks we can support a war on all those fronts at the same time? The top General in Iraq is already saying he needs a bigger Army. The Army especially is being stretched to the max. And don't get me started on that 15 month deployment BS. My ship is on its way home from an 8 month deployment (scheduled as a 7 monther, but we got extended) and will be heading back out here again next year for another "scheduled" 7 monther. Can you say "Burned Out"? I'm sorry, as much as I love admitting that we have the greatest military in the world, we can only be in so many places at once. And even our military has its limits.
GW needs to simmer the fuck down and try using a little diplomacy every now and then instead of relying so heavily on military force alone.

I can definitely agree with the spread-thin part. I know people who have been deployed 4 times to Iraq. Not good for them, to say the least. And there's definitely no way we could take on 4 wars at once (successfully), even if we drafted every man in America under 50.

 

[dt3]

I seem to remeber this war we were the aggresors. What real threat were Iraq to us. Its pretty much been proved there were no WMDs or any connection with Al Queda in Iraq. A lot of other wars the US have got involved with have been nothing to do with them either. I agree with the Afghanistan war though, they were sheltering bin laden.

As I said before, even if Saddam didn't have WMD's, he definitely wanted the world to think he did. Why else would he kick out the UN inspectors? And a tyrannical despot in that unstable region that is so important to the rest of the world who has (like everyone thought) WMD's is completely intolerable. With the threat of him having WMD's, he could have swayed politics in the region any way he wanted. The way I see it, we called his bluff and he lost.

 

[Tim]

But Saddam didn't throw out the U.N. inspectors. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan ordered all U.N. inspectors and support staff, humanitarian workers and U.N. observers to evacuate Iraq after U.S. threats to launch war. source

He did in 1998, but not in March of 2003

 

[dt3]

But Saddam didn't throw out the U.N. inspectors. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan ordered all U.N. inspectors and support staff, humanitarian workers and U.N. observers to evacuate Iraq after U.S. threats to launch war. source

He did in 1998, but not in March of 2003

I can honestly say I did not know that, thanks for the correction. I do, however, believe Saddam needed to go. It was long overdue.

 

[All Else Failed]

I can honestly say I did not know that, thanks for the correction. I do, however, believe Saddam needed to go. It was long overdue.

Oh, no doubt. Every dictator should be gotten rid of. It just depends on how its done.

 

[dt3]

Oh, no doubt. Every dictator should be gotten rid of. It just depends on how its done.

Can't always walk softly, sometimes you gotta use the big stick.

 

[White2000GT]

But Saddam didn't throw out the U.N. inspectors. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan ordered all U.N. inspectors and support staff, humanitarian workers and U.N. observers to evacuate Iraq after U.S. threats to launch war. source

He did in 1998, but not in March of 2003

Which goes back to what I said about Dbya not giving the UN enough time to do its job. He's a trigger happy Texan. Thank God he will never be able to be reelected EVER again! I'm sorry I even casted my vote in his favor. I admit I was blinded to the truth back then though. Plus, I was deployed (imagine that) at the time of the election, so I voted by way of absentee ballot and chances are it wasn't even counted anyway. :mad

 

[All Else Failed]

Can't always walk softly, sometimes you gotta use the big stick.

I prefer to drive.

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[Tim]

It was bush that did not give the inspectors enough time to finish the job they were sent to do. Even though they were giving reports of no weapons found, they were still told to get out or be caught in the impending war.

Bush sold this war on Saddam being a threat to our safety which we all know now wasn't the case. He used the attacks of sept 11th to accomplish this. If that terrible day never happened, we wouldn't be there. I despise the fact that the administration took advantage of the country like it did. We spent so much time, money and resources in Iraq that Bin Laden is still at large. How is that even right?

 

[White2000GT]

It's not right Tim. It's a fucking crime and Bush and his cronies need to be held accountable by the American people for those crimes. When do we get to vote on that?