Martin/Zimmerman-----Poll

[Tim]

A sidewalk is smooth..one doesnt even have to have his head split open from the impacts to be in danger for that matter.
The injuries definitely are there and if that was happening from the sidewalk ..then Zimmerman was indeed in great danger...Can you agree on that?

A smooth sidewalk isn't going to make a cut less than a half inch long.

I don't see any great danger in the wounds he sustained, not enough to warrant homicide.

And if you are going to commit homicide, you need to be arrested.

 

[Panacea]

What theory...do you mean claim?
They support the claim.

The gashes could support his claim. They also could not support his claim. Next!

 

[Alien Allen]

A smooth sidewalk isn't going to make a cut less than a half inch long.

I don't see any great danger in the wounds he sustained, not enough to warrant homicide.

And if you are going to commit homicide, you need to be arrested.

The wounds would be just a part of the picture used by the defense lawyers.

They don't have to be severe for one to feel threatened.

Unless one wants to claim Zimmerman broke his own nose and scraped the back of his head then clearly there was an altercation which Martin seemed to have the best of.

Whether that was life threatening or not is easy to speculate on.

Things that will come out under oath in trial will sort this out. Such as.....

Cornoner states no wounds on Martin which will be verified with photos
Proximity of the gun to Martin when he was shot
Wounds or lack of found on Martin (excluding the gun shot obviously)
Martins blood or lack of on Zimmerman
Zimmerman's testimony as to the route he and Martin took leading to their confrontation
Zimmerman's testimony as to comments he and Martin made when they confronted each other
Police testimony as to the routes they believe Zimmerman and Martin took
Testimony from witnesses to what was seen and heard


Until there is some swearing on a bible it is all sheer speculation



Except for those who want a conviction regardless.

and John can stick his claims of racism where the sun don't shine. It has nothing to do with race and never did except for those who want it painted that way.

 

[Tim]

The wounds would be just a part of the picture used by the defense lawyers.

They don't have to be severe for one to feel threatened.

Unless one wants to claim Zimmerman broke his own nose and scraped the back of his head then clearly there was an altercation which Martin seemed to have the best of.

Whether that was life threatening or not is easy to speculate on.

Things that will come out under oath in trial will sort this out. Such as.....

Cornoner states no wounds on Martin which will be verified with photos
Proximity of the gun to Martin when he was shot
Wounds or lack of found on Martin (excluding the gun shot obviously)
Martins blood or lack of on Zimmerman
Zimmerman's testimony as to the route he and Martin took leading to their confrontation
Zimmerman's testimony as to comments he and Martin made when they confronted each other
Police testimony as to the routes they believe Zimmerman and Martin took
Testimony from witnesses to what was seen and heard


Until there is some swearing on a bible it is all sheer speculation



Except for those who want a conviction regardless.

and John can stick his claims of racism where the sun don't shine. It has nothing to do with race and never did except for those who want it painted that way.

And this is why I want to see it go to trial, so these questions can be properly answered.

My only beef is with those who "know" it was self defense and feel it should have never made it to trial.


The "watchman" who wasn't a watchman at the time committed homicide. He needs to answer for that in a court of law where a jury can decide if it was justified or not.

 

[The Man]

A smooth sidewalk isn't going to make a cut less than a half inch long.

I don't see any great danger in the wounds he sustained, not enough to warrant homicide.

And if you are going to commit homicide, you need to be arrested.

Look at the latest pictures...there is much red area in between the gashes.
In other words some of his head split open some didnt from the impacts.
But none the less the point is you dont even have to obtain open wounds to be in danger from the impacts.
I know a guy that hit a man..when the guy fell he landed on his head on the concrete...he died later
There were no open wounds either...The point is you dont have to have massive gashes from hitting your head to sustain injuries to the head.
The main point here is...if the back of your head is hitting the concrete hard enough to bust it open...its serious

 

[The Man]

The gashes could support his claim. They also could not support his claim. Next!

They do support his claim.
You can choose to not believe it...but they still support his claim.

 

[Panacea]

They do support his claim.
You can choose to not believe it...but they still support his claim.

Surely you don't think the only way a human can get cuts on his/her head is to have Trayvon Martin smash their head into cement.

I mean I know you're not a fan of logic but I hope you'll make an exception this time.

 

[The Man]

And this is why I want to see it go to trial, so these questions can be properly answered.

My only beef is with those who "know" it was self defense and feel it should have never made it to trial.


The "watchman" who wasn't a watchman at the time committed homicide. He needs to answer for that in a court of law where a jury can decide if it was justified or not.

A neighborhood watchman is pretty much "keep an eye out"...its volunteer
There is no clock to punch per say.

See you want it to go to trial..as you want to assume guilt and have him prove his innocence.
All homicides shouldn't go to trial as you say...thats not how the system works,

 

[The Man]

Surely you don't think the only way a human can get cuts on his/her head is to have Trayvon Martin smash their head into cement.

I mean I know you're not a fan of logic but I hope you'll make an exception this time.

I have never stated that was the only way one could get cuts on the head.....would you like to point out that post please.

 

[Tim]

A neighborhood watchman is pretty much "keep an eye out"...its volunteer
There is no clock to punch per say.

See you want it to go to trial..as you want to assume guilt and have him prove his innocence.
All homicides shouldn't go to trial as you say...thats not how the system works,

Yes, there is no doubt what so ever... He is guilty of homicide.

You can at least concede that point, right?

 

[Panacea]

I have never stated that was the only way one could get cuts on the head.....would you like to point out that post please.

You didn't admit, in your response to my completely fair statement, that the gashes may not support GZ's claim. You only said they do.
Why is that?

 

[The Man]

You didn't admit, in your response to my completely fair statement, that the gashes may not support GZ's claim. You only said they do.
Why is that?

They support his claim...that undeniable.
I think what you are trying to say is the gashes could have happened another way besides head slams.

 

[The Man]

Yes, there is no doubt what so ever... He is guilty of homicide.

You can at least concede that point, right?

Where is your probable cause of murder Tim?
Are you suggesting that we no longer need probable cause?

 

[Panacea]

They support his claim...that undeniable.
I think what you are trying to say is the gashes could have happened another way besides head slams.

The head injuries may ultimately not support his claims if they're found to have occurred in a different manner than the claims. Basic stuff here.

 

[Tim]

Where is your probable cause of murder Tim?
Are you suggesting that we no longer need probable cause?

I never used the word murder, please show me where I did.

I said he is guilty of homicide. If you don't understand the meaning of homicide, then we aren't going to get any further in this conversation.

Please, take a moment and go familiarize yourself with the word... I'll wait. Then we might have a chance at an intelligent conversation.

 

[Alien Allen]

all murder is homicide TM

but not all homicide is murder

typically though when one references a homicide one assumes murder

 

[Alien Allen]

Any lawyer worth his pound of flesh would make sure that their client had visible props to support ya claim of self - defence. Much like the ambulance-chasers who work traffic cases encourage their clients to wear neck braces.

except there are some holes in your argument

1. Police were there within a couple of minutes of the shooting

2. At least one witness claims to have seen Martin on top of Zimmerman

Are you really trying to claim he may have beat himself up?

Certainly that would be possible but seems like a stretch. And there is nothing to support that having been the case.

 

[Tim]

all murder is homicide TM

but not all homicide is murder

typically though when one references a homicide one assumes murder[/QUOTE]

And that is exactly why I said homicide and not murder. But I still think he will have a hard time grasping the concept and it will go right over his head

 

[clancy]

They support his claim...that undeniable.
I think what you are trying to say is the gashes could have happened another way besides head slams.

The gashes combined with what the witness saw are absolute proof of Zimmerman's story. He is innocent until proven guilty. Even if he went only on his word it is still up to the prosecution to prove otherwise. So far they admit they have nothing.

 

[clancy]

except there are some holes in your argument

1. Police were there within a couple of minutes of the shooting

2. At least one witness claims to have seen Martin on top of Zimmerman

Are you really trying to claim he may have beat himself up?

Certainly that would be possible but seems like a stretch. And there is nothing to support that having been the case.

And all within a short time frame which makes his wounds being faked a stupid idea.