late term abortions..

[Maulds]

Was Scott Petersen not charged with 2 counts of murder? 1 for his wife and 1 for his unborn child?

 

[All Else Failed]

I think unless the mothers life is in imminent danger it should not be allowed. I think there should be guidelines as far as how far along abortion is still allowable, with the only exception being complications arising late that endanger the mother. So "chain her down"......no, but late term should not be an option unless it is to save the mother from dangers of continuing the pregnancy.

I believe there are laws like that in certain states.

 

[Peter Parka]

So if a woman wanted to get a late term abortion, would you encourage people to chain her down and not let her get one?

Well I dont see that steps that drastic are needed since she cant do it herself but I think it should be illegal and the abortionist and woman involved should be done for murder if that happens, depending on the circumstances of course.

 

[SRC]

Was Scott Petersen not charged with 2 counts of murder? 1 for his wife and 1 for his unborn child?

When you murder a pregnant woman .. they'll always throw in the fetus .. because the mother did not choose to abort it. It is no one other than the mothers choice to terminate a pregnancy.

 

[gLing]

As much as I'm sure you want this to be true, unfortunately our legal/justice system does not support your personal opinion on the matter.

The law states that until a baby has actually breathed a breath (and it's lungs contain evidence that oxygen has touched them) .. it was never actually "alive" (since it is actually a part of the mother until it is no longer attached to her body).

Please do some research. I said unborn babies have all kinds of rights in this nation. In some states more than others. This is a fact on the law books, not an opinion I formed out of thin air.

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

As much as I'm sure you want this to be true, unfortunately our legal/justice system does not support your personal opinion on the matter.

The law states that until a baby has actually breathed a breath (and it's lungs contain evidence that oxygen has touched them) .. it was never actually "alive" (since it is actually a part of the mother until it is no longer attached to her body).

who is to say that they are right? Just because they make the rules in our country does not mean they are right. I think our maker is who gives us basic human rights, not our legal system. Only God should decide who lives and dies. When you put it in the hands of humans with agendas things are bound to get messy.

 

[SRC]

Jennie, the story in the case I posted was NOT done in america...it was in denmark (i think) and the method of abortion included poisoning the fetus and inducing actual labor.

I know, I'm just not up on laws outside the US, but I guess I figured since it was so dangerous/unethical .. they just didn't do it anywhere.

 

[gLing]

When you murder a pregnant woman .. they'll always throw in the fetus .. because the mother did not choose to abort it. It is no one other than the mothers choice to terminate a pregnancy.

So in other words the baby is seen as a human being in that case but if it is killed by the choice of the mother then it's just a fetus thing.

 

[Peter Parka]

When you murder a pregnant woman .. they'll always throw in the fetus .. because the mother did not choose to abort it. It is no one other than the mothers choice to terminate a pregnancy.

I cant understand why a mother should have the choice to murder her baby if others dont. If she's given birth and she killed it it would be considered murder by law.

 

[SRC]

who is to say that they are right? Just because they make the rules in our country does not mean they are right.

Because the way our country works .. and the majority of the country (US) voted to allow abortion .. and people also voted to adapt laws concerning it.

You can throw God in all you want, but God has nothing to do with our justice system .. otherwise we'd have to go by every religion out there .. that is inside the US as well.

And I dont' think you want that either.

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

I believe there are laws like that in certain states.

almost all states I believe. Nowhere in america do i know of where you can get an abortion past 5 months. They are just now able to "safely" do this (safely for the mother...) and i think most abortion clinics don't even do them after 15 weeks...i think you have to go to special clinics for that. I know someone who had one at 18 weeks and she had to go to the only place in Texas that performed them that late.

 

[SRC]

So in other words the baby is seen as a human being in that case but if it is killed by the choice of the mother then it's just a fetus thing.

Because until the baby is born .. in the eyes of the court system .. it is actually a PART of the mother herself .. the justice system do not hold a fetus as it's own individual "person" .. until it breathes on it's own .. BUT .. the right to terminate it (since it is a PART of the mother while in the womb) lies in the mothers hands .. not the hands of someone else.

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

Because the way our country works .. and the majority of the country (US) voted to allow abortion .. and people also voted to adapt laws concerning it.

You can throw God in all you want, but God has nothing to do with our justice system .. otherwise we'd have to go by every religion out there .. that is inside the US as well.

And I dont' think you want that either.

Agreed. But the point is, is that just because our justice system SAYS something is a law, doesn't make it right! The whole point of the debate is do YOU think it's right, not is it right because the legal system says it is. This is why laws are dangerous things. People automatically start thinking things are ok just because they are legal. This is NOT always the case!

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

does anyone here think this is ok? I'm not even sure if it's up for debate, but you never know. I think it's disgusting!

Late term abortions: Late-Term Abortion Facilities in Spain Prompt Call for EU Abortion Law

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[All Else Failed]

I wonder what the people who disagree with abortion would do if one day they got a "surprise" and they knew they couldn't afford/handle a baby at that moment in time?

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

adoption! prenatal visits in cases of adoption are covered by the adoption clinic or adopting parents.

 

[Peter Parka]

I wonder what the people who disagree with abortion would do if one day they got a "surprise" and they knew they couldn't afford/handle a baby at that moment in time?

Well personally, even though I'm not a woman, but if I got a girl pregnant, I'd be a fucking adult and do my best to take responsibility for my own mistakes. I think murdering someone because you fucked up is discusting!

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

abortion in a case like that is lacking the responsibility to account for ones own actions. If you can't afford pregnancy, or don't need a baby, then wrap it, or use some form of bc. Not doing this is just idiotic.

 

[Maulds]

I wonder what the people who disagree with abortion would do if one day they got a "surprise" and they knew they couldn't afford/handle a baby at that moment in time?

Been there, done that , got the t-shirt. My daughter was born when I was 19 and despite the struggles we've had raising her (and my son since) I wouldn't change a thing. I didnt plan to become a parent then, but I knew by having sex the chance was there. People who aren't willing to handle the possible consequences should just abstain until they can. We can live without sex.

 

[gLing]

Because until the baby is born .. in the eyes of the court system .. it is actually a PART of the mother herself .. the justice system do not hold a fetus as it's own individual "person" .. until it breathes on it's own .. BUT .. the right to terminate it (since it is a PART of the mother while in the womb) lies in the mothers hands .. not the hands of someone else.

So if it just a part of the mother and not a human being then how is it somebody get a murder charge for killing it along with the mother?

The law is contradictory. The baby is either a human being or it isn't. You cannot consider it a human being in one case and not a human being in another.