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Don't you understand the meaning of 'adornments of a woman'?? It is clearly mentioned in the '
Quran for women to veil their 'adornments' from strangers...

Face, as I said, is also understood by some Muslims as a woman's bodily Adornment.
When did the face become an adornment.
Just prior you claimed it was a fad
However, face covering by some Muslim women seems to be a fad....a fashion
Which is it a fad or a religious requirement.
 
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Don't look at me that way,,you buster!!

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When did the face become an adornment.
Just prior you claimed it was a fad

Which is it a fad or a religious requirement.


I told you some Muslims take face covering as a religious command, a few take it as a fad or fashion....Taliban, Saudi's and some other Muslims all over the world take it seriously as a religious command. A few fashion buffs take it as fashion,

whatever the case may be it is a woman's born right to wear whatever she likes....men have no right to suppress her through their own whims.

Sikhs wear turban in western countries and refuse to wear helmet.....yet no one suppresses them to do what their faith forbids. even if the west tried the Sikhs won't obey your laws in this respect...and you won't be able to suppress them...
why>> ??? Just because they arre MEN!! Here your discrimination against Muslim women is very apparent.
 

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Don't you understand the meaning of 'adornments of a woman'?? It is clearly mentioned in the '
Quran for women to veil their 'adornments' from strangers...

Face, as I said, is also understood by some Muslims as a woman's bodily Adornment.
So it does not say for the woman to cover her face..you even called it a fad yourself
So explain to me again how it is a violation of religious freedom.
 

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Only a woman can attend a woman ......and unmask her during certain activities. Stranger Men are NOT allowed to body check her....
But you have not shown in the quran where a woman is required to cover her face...you called it a fad prior dismissing it as a religious requirement...went on to say you are muslim and that your female family members do not partake in face coverings.
Are they muslim as well?
 

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So it does not say for the woman to cover her face..you even called it a fad yourself
So explain to me again how it is a violation of religious freedom.


It is a stepping over of religious freedom because some Muslims believe face forms bodily adornment of a woman,,,
there are several Muslim sects ....but some sects in Saudia, ME, India , Afghanistan and Pakistan, etc believe veiling is compulsory, If it wasn;t then these countries would have passed laws against burqa but because it is to some sects a religious duty so we have to respect that....even if that sect is in minority, If you don't respect their right you will further be cripply religious rights of a minority,,,and that's not fair, the sikhs too are in minority but because they are MEN you listened to them but because these Muslim wearing burqa are WOMEN you want to suppress them!! Wow!! what a bloody gender, sectarian, religious and minoritical oppression of freedom!!
 

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But you have not shown in the quran where a woman is required to cover her face...you called it a fad prior dismissing it as a religious requirement...went on to say you are muslim and that your female family members do not partake in face coverings.
Are they muslim as well?
I am a Muslim and all my family members are Muslims.....my women folk do not wear burqa nor cover their faces...but they dress up decently. Nudity is forbidden in Islam.
 

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It is a stepping over of religious freedom because some Muslims believe face forms bodily adornment of a woman,,,
there are several Muslim sects ....but some sects in Saudia, ME, India , Afghanistan and Pakistan, etc believe veiling is compulsory, If it wasn;t then these countries would have passed laws against burqa but because it is to some sects a religious duty so we have to respect that....even if that sect is in minority, If you don't respect their right you will further be cripply religious rights of a minority,,,and that's not fair, the sikhs too are in minority but because they are MEN you listened to them but because these Muslim wearing burqa are WOMEN you want to suppress them!! Wow!! what a bloody gender, sectarian, religious and minoritical oppression of freedom!!
It doesnt matter how one feels...show me in the quran where the woman is required to cover the face.
Some muslims feels they should terrorize as well...should we allow that.
A face is not an adorment.
 

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I am a Muslim and all my family members are Muslims.....my women folk do not wear burqa nor cover their faces...but they dress up decently. Nudity is forbidden in Islam.
So a female Muslim is not required to cover the face..unless you want to say your family members are disobeying Allah
 

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Why is the face not covered if a religious requirement?
Thanks...you have shown it is indeed a fad as you stated earlier.

I have already told you covering face is not accepted by many sects of Muslims...but some sects I named do believe face covering is a must. For example if an american woman goes to Saudia she won't be able to trot the streets of Saudia in the semi nude dress she wears in America,...
If my women go to Saudia they will be bound to wear burqa as per their law because they are Muslims...'

Pakistan is liberal in this respect.....

As for Talibans they are tribal folks polarised in a certain area...If you happen to be among them you will never see their women!! And perchance you cast an evil eye on their woman be sure your throat will be slitted immediately....
 

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It doesnt matter how one feels...show me in the quran where the woman is required to cover the face.
Some muslims feels they should terrorize as well...should we allow that.
A face is not an adorment.


that is your interpretation of adornment but some Muslim sects don't accept that.

Don't you get frisky upon seeing the face of a beautiful woman???
I do.....therefore for all practical purposes I think face too is a bodily adornment of females...

If you think some Muslims terrorize you kill them, if your law says that. I have no sympathy with terrorists,, be they religious fanatics or liberal madmen!!

even if it is held that covering face is a fad or fashion we must not make a row over it and flash this issue to the advantage of others...fads usually die off soon...
 

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I have already told you covering face is not accepted by many sects of Muslims...but some sects I named do believe face covering is a must. For example if an american woman goes to Saudia she won't be able to trot the streets of Saudia in the semi nude dress she wears in America,...
If my women go to Saudia they will be bound to wear burqa as per their law because they are Muslims...'

Pakistan is liberal in this respect.....

As for Talibans they are tribal folks polarised in a certain area...If you happen to be among them you will never see their women!! And perchance you cast an evil eye on their woman be sure your throat will be slitted immediately....

If my women go to Saudia they will be bound to wear burqa as per their law because they are Muslims
So the burqa is a law ....and not a religious requirement

As for Talibans they are tribal folks polarised in a certain area...If you happen to be among them you will never see their women!! And perchance you cast an evil eye on their woman be sure your throat will be slitted immediately
Is this written in the quran?
 

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that is your interpretation of adornment but some Muslim sects don't accept that.

Don't you get frisky upon seeing the face of a beautiful woman???
I do.....therefore for all practical purposes I think face too is a bodily adornment of females...

If you think some Muslims terrorize you kill them, if your law says that. I have no sympathy with terrorists,, be they religious fanatics or liberal madmen!!

even if it is held that covering face is a fad or fashion we must not make a row over it and flash this issue to the advantage of others...fads usually die off soon...
Show me in the quran where it is interpreted that a face is an adornment.
Prior you stated it was a fad practiced by some..then went on to say it is law in other areas.
So we have fads and laws of the land...but nothing in the quran stating a woman is to cover her face.
 
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