Keep our dirty, bloody, dollar soaked fingers out of the business of these [Third World] nations

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Stop talking rubbish. I don't like baseless accusations from you grumbling brat.

Just reread the sick words you have written about our culture,,,and that's not the way to argue in a debate. The Man is a better critique than you who honks whatever comes to his minds thoughtlessly or with premeditated bias.


That's rich coming from a racist.

We wouldn't be discussing your culture if you hadn't initiated an attempt to moralize the abuse of women, slick.
 

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I.................................... Read Muslim history and you will note all bloodshed and tyranny yet it is remarkable the the Golden Age of Muslim progress was made during such times!!

Just a little critical thinking on your part should have made it obvious that the intellectual richness that occurred during that 'Golden Age' , withered and died because of the extended brutality of your culture.
It's a fallacy to believe brutality and suppression of free will spurs the curious mind to challenge perceived truths.
That's a downward cultural spiral.
 

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That's rich coming from a racist.

We wouldn't be discussing your culture if you hadn't initiated an attempt to moralize the abuse of women, slick.


Are you a Wooman which makes you so concerned about woomen??

If Pakistani women had any interest in Western culture they would be blue eyed by now!! But since this is not so and they still protest againt Western laws against Burqa it proves you culture is not acceptable to a section of women and surely could be vice versa. You don't have to fluster and frustrate at that because women all over the world know well how to protect their rights.
 

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Just a little critical thinking on your part should have made it obvious that the intellectual richness that occurred during that 'Golden Age' , withered and died because of the extended brutality of your culture.
It's a fallacy to believe brutality and suppression of free will spurs the curious mind to challenge perceived truths.
That's a downward cultural spiral.


that is your point of view,,,unacceptable to the intellectual mind.

I told ya Muslims can do well in dictatorships or where rule of law and justice is
stern. don't you see how these Muslims who behave like hooligans at home behave like gentlemen abroad??
That shouldn't be attributed to your 'culture' but your 'governments', your strict adherence to rule of law and perhaps justice.
 

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Are you a Wooman which makes you so concerned about woomen??

If Pakistani women had any interest in Western culture they would be blue eyed by now!! But since this is not so and they still protest againt Western laws against Burqa it proves you culture is not acceptable to a section of women and surely could be vice versa. You don't have to fluster and frustrate at that because women all over the world know well how to protect their rights.

Are you so hardened that you are unaware abusing, killing, and raping of women and children are actions of an inhuman monster?

You make flowery claims like above, but the reality is your culture is barbaric towards woman and you think you are justified in committing that abuse.

You accuse the west of treating women as whores, but support the treatment of women as less than human and value their lives less than an animal.

You even claim to be an intellectual.
You haven't a clue as to the meaning of critical thinking , deny reality as it suits you,
and image reality as if you are part of some grandiose plan.
Well, you aren't.
You are a Pakistani, nuff said ;)
 

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that is your point of view,,,unacceptable to the intellectual mind.

I told ya Muslims can do well in dictatorships or where rule of law and justice is
stern. don't you see how these Muslims who behave like hooligans at home behave like gentlemen abroad??
That shouldn't be attributed to your 'culture' but your 'governments', your strict adherence to rule of law and perhaps justice.

Take a look around your environment. Then consider your culture exports terrorism globally. Then reread that dumbass comment of yours again.
 

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Are you a Wooman which makes you so concerned about woomen??

If Pakistani women had any interest in Western culture they would be blue eyed by now!! But since this is not so and they still protest againt Western laws against Burqa it proves you culture is not acceptable to a section of women and surely could be vice versa. You don't have to fluster and frustrate at that because women all over the world know well how to protect their rights.
There are times when a burqa should not be worn...this woukd be the same as me getting my drivers license renewed while wearing a ski mask..I would be asked to remove it...same can be said for going in a bank..going to court ,cashing a check etc.
A burqa is a mask..no more no less there are laws in place where wearing a mask is prohibited..a burqa should be no exception.
Besides our women here don't wear a burqa...so why do the women in pk care?
 

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Are you so hardened that you are unaware abusing, killing, and raping of women and children are actions of an inhuman monster?

You make flowery claims like above, but the reality is your culture is barbaric towards woman and you think you are justified in committing that abuse.

You accuse the west of treating women as whores, but support the treatment of women as less than human and value their lives less than an animal.

You even claim to be an intellectual.
You haven't a clue as to the meaning of critical thinking , deny reality as it suits you,
and image reality as if you are part of some grandiose plan.
Well, you aren't.
You are a Pakistani, nuff said ;)


I can realize your sentiments. ...that of a completely deranged person.

Stop trying to put your words in my mouth,,,,otherwise I will spit.

Baaa!!
 

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There are times when a burqa should not be worn...this woukd be the same as me getting my drivers license renewed while wearing a ski mask..I would be asked to remove it...same can be said for going in a bank..going to court ,cashing a check etc.
A burqa is a mask..no more no less there are laws in place where wearing a mask is prohibited..a burqa should be no exception.
Besides our women here don't wear a burqa...so why do the women in pk care?


Burqa is NOT a mask but you may call it a veil.....that's the right word for it.

Many women believe it is incumbent upon them to veil or wear a burqa or something like that ,,,something like Nuns wear (wonder if they are allowed or not to visit banks in their 'nunnerous' costume or are treated as untouchables in your society??) by dint of their religion. Banning burqa means you are interfering and suppressing religious liberties of women?
What do you say about Sikhs who wear turbans on duty??
Why don't you force them to wear helmets while riding motobikes??
You can't because they too are bound by their religion,....
Oppression of Religious beliefs is not tenable by the Constitution of America....
No,,,,,,you cannot object to whatever costume women wear ....as fashion or a religious binding.

YOUR laws are NOT universal laws to be followed by everyone...nope..
Better mend your Constitutions or let women have their freedom to dress or Undress.
 

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Take a look around your environment. Then consider your culture exports terrorism globally. Then reread that dumbass comment of yours again.

Am getting fed up with your dumbass comments. dude, it were Arabs who bombed your trade towers not us. Why don't you catch them and leave us alone?

After yet another defeat in Afghanistan the US is sneaking out of that country leaving behind a token 5000 soldiers to save its face/

what a waste america has committed through a wasteful war!!
How the tax money of its hardworking citizens has been spent in wasteful pursuits by its prodigal leaders!! FGS stop this fuckin war and abuse against others......by doing that you are axing your own feet...\
remember love begets love, hate hatred.
Try to learn to love.,...and stop hating, chuchu!!
 

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I can realize your sentiments. ...that of a completely deranged person.

Stop trying to put your words in my mouth,,,,otherwise I will spit.

Baaa!!

Your assessments of reality have been so bizarre in the recent past, what's one more worthless comment from you.
So go ahead and spit all you want.


Would you like some more cheese? :D
 

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Burqa is NOT a mask but you may call it a veil.....that's the right word for it.

Many women believe it is incumbent upon them to veil or wear a burqa or something like that ,,,something like Nuns wear (wonder if they are allowed or not to visit banks in their 'nunnerous' costume or are treated as untouchables in your society??) by dint of their religion. Banning burqa means you are interfering and suppressing religious liberties of women?
What do you say about Sikhs who wear turbans on duty??
Why don't you force them to wear helmets while riding motobikes??
You can't because they too are bound by their religion,....
Oppression of Religious beliefs is not tenable by the Constitution of America....
No,,,,,,you cannot object to whatever costume women wear ....as fashion or a religious binding.

YOUR laws are NOT universal laws to be followed by everyone...nope..
Better mend your Constitutions or let women have their freedom to dress or Undress.
Has nothing to do with supressing the rights or liberties of women here...a man is also asked to remove face coverings as well during the same situations.
 

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Has nothing to do with supressing the rights or liberties of women here...a man is also asked to remove face coverings as well during the same situations.
Why would a person go to a nation that does not permit face coverings at times. ..when they want to have the face covered during these times?
Show me in the Quran where a woman is to cover the face while we are on the topic...it isnt there..so your arguement is already squashed anyway maz.
 

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Am getting fed up with your dumbass comments. dude, it were Arabs who bombed your trade towers not us. Why don't you catch them and leave us alone?

After yet another defeat in Afghanistan the US is sneaking out of that country leaving behind a token 5000 soldiers to save its face/

what a waste america has committed through a wasteful war!!
How the tax money of its hardworking citizens has been spent in wasteful pursuits by its prodigal leaders!! FGS stop this fuckin war and abuse against others......by doing that you are axing your own feet...\
remember love begets love, hate hatred.
Try to learn to love.,...and stop hating, chuchu!!

I don't remember asking you for a denial? :D

Am getting fed up with your dumbass comments.
Then quit posting shit.
If you don't post shit, I won't be pointing out your dumbass remarks.


it were Arabs who bombed your trade towers not us. Why don't you catch them and leave us alone?
Now, there's two dumbass comments in a row.
First, the Trade towers weren't bombed.
Second, the leadership of those responsible and many of their followers have been hiding out in your country, obviously with some protection of your gov't. And possibly involvement by your gov't.
Now, don't you feel silly trying to fool the forum?

After yet another defeat in Afghanistan the US is sneaking out of that country leaving behind a token 5000 soldiers to save its face/
Reality check. Afghanistan was lost long ago.
With drone technology ramping up, time to change the war and take out terrorist leadership from the air.
Worked extremely well in Yemen, recently. Must of saddened you greatly.


what a waste america has committed through a wasteful war!!
Indeed.
All wars are wasteful.
Maybe your culture would like to make peace?
All you have to do is stop terrorist activity in your nation.

FGS stop this fuckin war and abuse against others
Two problems with that comment.
First, your culture ( and yourself) has demonstrated such low morality and ethics on personal levels, using the term 'FGS' is sacrilegious.
Second, You are not an Iraqi citizen and have nothing to bitch about other than your own nation's choices in giving sanctuary to terrorists the US is at war with, and the possibility that PK has been involved behind the scenes in instigating some of those terrorist attacks on the US ( from a news link you posted elsewhere )

remember love begets love, hate hatred.
Hmmm!
Is that what goes through your mind for every honor killing in Pakistan, every wife beating, every female public execution, every child abused/killed/raped?
Really?
Since you approve of those acts as cultural rights, I'm doubtful of your sincerity.
 

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Burqa is NOT a mask but you may call it a veil.....that's the right word for it.

Many women believe it is incumbent upon them to veil or wear a burqa or something like that ,,,something like Nuns wear (wonder if they are allowed or not to visit banks in their 'nunnerous' costume or are treated as untouchables in your society??) by dint of their religion. Banning burqa means you are interfering and suppressing religious liberties of women?
What do you say about Sikhs who wear turbans on duty??
Why don't you force them to wear helmets while riding motobikes??
You can't because they too are bound by their religion,....
Oppression of Religious beliefs is not tenable by the Constitution of America....
No,,,,,,you cannot object to whatever costume women wear ....as fashion or a religious binding.

YOUR laws are NOT universal laws to be followed by everyone...nope..
Better mend your Constitutions or let women have their freedom to dress or Undress.



You know ( obviously not ), it takes intelligence to exhibit intellectual traits.
That was one stupid post.

The issue, when in my society, concerns identity.
A burka hides identity.
Turbans don't.
Some motorcycle helmets do and must be removed to prove identity in a few situations.


Why don't you force them to wear helmets while riding motobikes??
Are you on crack?
Who are you referring to and what does the question even mean?
Some States require MC helmets, some don't. It's a safety issue. Where I live there are no helmet laws but I don't remember seeing any Muslim women in burkas or veils riding motorcycles, so it's a moot point in Ohio either way.


YOUR laws are NOT universal laws to be followed by everyone...nope..
They are if you want to live here :D


Intellectual my ass :D



BTW....a burka is the ultimate mask.
 

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Your assessments of reality have been so bizarre in the recent past, what's one more worthless comment from you.
So go ahead and spit all you want.


Would you like some more cheese? :D


I didn't know you were running a 'cheese' factory!! But plz keep your 'good' stuff to yerself....we have other brands to enjoy!

I do realize you are not well and not accustomed to respect diff of opinion,,,not your fault,,,evolution doesn't seem to have changed stones over centuries!

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